Source: NASCAR to suspend Kurt Busch for Pocono race-UPDATED
Quote selected text Published June 6th, 2007 in NASCAR News
Sources have told AutoRacingSport.com that NASCAR will suspend Penske Racing Dodge driver Kurt Busch for this weekends’ Nextel Cup Pocono race for his actions following a crash between himself and Joe Gibbs driver Tony Stewart. The penalty is expected to be handed down today.
Busch and Stewart wrecked out of Turn 4 on Lap 270 of last Monday’s rain-delayed Autism Speaks 400 at Dover International Speedway. Not surprisingly, the drivers blamed each other for the accident, which dropped two of top-10 cars to 40th (Stewart) and 42nd (Busch). Stewart pointed out that Busch hadn’t cleared him when the No. 2 Dodge moved up the track to complete a pass. Busch, of course, blamed Stewart for the incident.
The real source of concern, however, is what happened on pit road after the wreck. As Stewart’s No. 20 Chevrolet sat in its pit stall, Busch drove his Dodge alongside and appeared to graze Stewart’s car just narrowly missing Gibbs jackman Jason Lee, who had to jump over the right front quarter of Stewart’s Chevy to avoid a hit from Busch’s car.
UPDATE: We hear that NASCAR may not hand down a penalty until as late as Friday.
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If this is true, effing RIGHT. Nascar’s actually doing it right for
once. It’s almost too good to believe. o.O Should be for more than
one race and there should be one hellacious fine/docking of points,
but atleast they’re doing SOMETHING. S’more than usual.
Just ONE race????
i’m no Tony fan, but Kurt is a punk and he deserves whatever he gets and more.
Kurt needs some time to think and understand how lucky he is to be driving at all.
I’m still waiting to see something official..
I am a Kurt Busch fan !
Kurt made a mistake..He let Stewart push his buttons.
He’d been after Kurt for a few races and he won.
Congratulations Tony aren’t you a big man ,
the Godfather of Nascar..Who is next on your hit list?
Kurt will be back stronger than ever and ALL of you
that say you hate Kurt,do me this favour
Go to any of the tracks on race day
you will see Kurt at his souvie hauler signing autographs
He is one of the few drivers that still do that..
If you can meet him and still say you hate him then fine
but until then I don’t want to hear it..
GO KURT !!!
Even if you are a Kurt fan you should realized that this is not about what happened between Tony and Kurt on the track, Kurt endangered a pit crew member, come on grow up and realize this deserves being parked a race and I too think that is not enough. Kurt has been in the sport long enough now to know that you can’t do that and say I’m sorry I was wrong and that will make it go away. I don’t care who the driver was, if they do this they need to be parked for awhile.
Oh and I am not a Tony or Kurt fan so don’t go thinking that is why I am saying this.
My son and I watch the race D.V.R. What happened on the track was racing. But what happened off was not. Kurt is to be a roll model for kids, but when I have my son asking me if that idiot is drunk. MIND you he is six, he drives the beer car that you drink daddy!! I have never driven my car at someone. Or get behind the wheel after I had a few. I t
Jr. gets fines and points taken away for something stupid in the shop. Kurt Almost Kills somebody, maybe Roger should switch to chevy so someone with respect and who sighs autographs like Rusty use to. HE could bring the BLUE 2 back to were it should be. Not in the dirt , ( I think I just switched my beer to BUD !!!! )
Did your ’source’ tell you who will drive the 2 car?
No word on who will drive the #2. We’re getting a little suspicious that NASCAR hasn’t made this official. Looks like there’s some hard campaigning going on (read Penske’s pressing Helton and Pemberton) to keep Kurt outta trouble!
KK
Well here’s a link to a statement on Kurt’s site
http://www.kurtbusch.com/schedule/read_article.php?id=71
What we saw on TV wasn’t everything that happened ..
just a small part.
That’s why I prefer to go to the races and a friend of
mine asked me after the Lowes race what Tony had against
Kurt. She had been listening to Tony and Zippy talking
crap about Kurt on the scanner..All I could think of is
that Kurt wasn’t going to Eldora. Well at the end of the
statement on Kurt’s site basically says that Tony might
feel snubbed by Kurt.
What I don’t understand is why Carl Edwards didn’t get
suspended after last years Aug MIS Busch race..He could
have taken off Jr’s hand when he side slammed into his
car under caution..noone seemed to care.
Kurt will bounce back..He’s made mistakes but he picks
himself up and I admire him for that.
I agree with you Sunmom13.
Kurt is a nice guy who let his emotions get the best of him. He did wrong, he will get some sort of punishment, we all know that.
Kurt never meant to put anyone in harms way. He did take responsibility for his actions in a race interview but that not going to be enough. He will receive punishment from NASCAR.
I just hope that when any other driver does anything remotely similar that I hear just as much outcry from NASCAR and NASCAR fans.
I think John Andretti said it best, “lets stop and think about this, are we calling for all this punishment because it’s Kurt Busch and he is not well liked? Would you people want the same penalties if Jr did this?”
Thanks and good luck to everyone’s favorite driver this weekend!
To quote Busch’s press release, “I raced the guy all day long and for some reason he just didn’t give an inch.” That is what is called racing, sir. If your car is so similar in speed to another than you can’t pass him easily, then you have to race him to get the spot. You can’t expect the other driver to just give up the spot because you want it. It’s a competition.
That was the most sanctimonious press release that I’ve ever seen, and I worked in the racing media for several years. I’ve seen my fair share of idiotic press releases, but that takes the cake.
We’ve all seen drivers take emotions out on each other (Jeff Gordon and Matt Kenseth, to name one). I think it’s stupid, but it’s been done. But to speed up next to a parked vehicle and nearly hit a crew member is irresponsible, stupid, and reckless. The drivers are strapped in, with thousands upon thousands of dollars of safety equipment keeping them alive in case of wreck. The crew members are the ones in the most danger, as they have nothing between them and danger than a helmet. If this had been the other way around, Tony attempting to ram Kurt, I’d be all for a suspension for Tony, and I’m a fan of his. I’d be saying this about any single driver in NASCAR, IRL, Champ Car, F1, etc.
they should have started doin this a long time, enough special treatment for these guys, my driver
(harvick) got suspended in 02 for aggressive driving, so why are they just NOW thinkin of this?
man this pisses me off it took them that long.
Sunmom and CelticHouse you 2 hit the nail on the head, IMO.
Kurt is a guy who shows the fire and passion that many of us feel are missing from the sport. Yeah, he made a mistake. As a Kurt fan, I feel the whole pit road incident was the dumbest thing he’s ever done. No argument there.
But think about all of the other incidents that have happened on pit road…Carl almost takin Jr’s hand off? Didn’t Carl spin someone on pit road? What punishment did he get? Diddly squat. Would you guys be calling for Jr’s head (or Gordons, Stewarts, Johnsons, etc) if he made the same mistake?
I dont disagree that Kurt screwed up. And he will have to pay. No matter what, you can be guarenteed that he will bounce back and this wont stop him. That’s something we’ve seen out of him before…and that’s part of the reason I cheer for him every Sunday. The man learns from his mistakes.
I personally think that Nascar should suspend Kurt Bush for more than 1 race to teach him a lesson. Kurt could have hurt Tony’s jackman Jason Lee. What was he thinking? Did he honestly think because he’s one of the Busch brothers that nothing would happen to him. Mommy and daddy can’t help him this time. I’m glad that Nascar isn’t taking this lightly.
Like I already said sunmon13, I don’t care what happened on the track and I don’t care if they want to punch each other, Kurt or any driver should NOT take it to pit road and mess around when there are crew memebers, officials, etc.
I know they are both hotheads and they both screw up, does that mean they get to keep doing this crap and get by with it??? NO!!!
I also agree if crew chiefs are getting suspended for cheating then what Kurt did should be for more than 1 race.
And yes I would be calling for any driver to be parked if he did this, even Jr. and Gordon and Stewart, etc. doesn’t matter to me. I thought Carl was wrong and shouldn’t have gotten away with it either. To me it’s not because it’s Kurt Busch.
In the case of NASCAR dealing out the right punishment for the crime, this fits the bill perfectly.
I don’t have anything against Kurt. He is a good driver. He really needs some time to think about this. Nascar has done the right thing.
One race is not enough. The right punishment for him would be the REST OF THE SEASON. Then fine Penske ALL POINTS earned so far plus 10K more then hit Kurt and Rodger 2 Millon in the pocket book each. That way Nascar will show that going after another drivers PITCREW during the race will not be tolerated at all.
I cannot believe that he only got one race. He almost hit a crew member. How stupid can Kurt Busch get??!! He didn’t even have anything to do with the wreck!! He should get at least two or three races, not one. This is by far an understatement on NASCAR. They need to wake up and smell the motor oil!!!!
This is crazy. Dont get me wrong Im glad to see NASCAR doing something about Busch almost hitting a crew member… BUT ONE RACE? Give me a break that is a slap on the wrist. They arrest fans for throwing things on the track and charge them with disorderly conduct. They hit DALE JR with a $100,000 fine, plus 100 points, and lost Tony Jr for races. He needs more than one race!
Kurt always spins the story to suit his needs. When his brother wrecked him, Kurt said he wasn’t about to give Kyle an inch. Then he goes and whines when Tony won’t give him an inch. Does Kurt have brain fade about wrecking Tony at Daytona? It’s always one sided with Kurt. And Kyle for that matter. They both ought to be 86′d from Nascar. I refer to them as the Busch Brats.
Nascar has still not come to a verdict..
This is true….the suspensioni is not official. We think there is still alot of ‘lobbying’ going on right now.
BTW everyone, sorry if you’ve had trouble getting on the site. We’ve had more traffic than usual (
) and some server issues. we are working to get them fixed.
The problem with Tony is that he wants everyone to pull over for him even though he won’t pull over for anyone else.
I agree Kurt should sit AT LEAST a race, and if NASCAR doesn’t mandate it, he should volunteer to do it. And on his day off he should play jack man for the #12 team.
AutoRacingSport.com Editor Do you know for a fact that Nascar has
gotten together today to discuss this matter..I’m not seeing anywhere
where they have. They usually post it on Nascar.com
Well two wrongs dont make a right but they were racing pretty hard and niether one gave an inch after bush came up on stewart whether it was bush trying to slam the door on him or lack of spotters seeing what was going on but to me it looked like stewart drove through bush after he had spun maybe in retalliation for the start of the crash???or just stewart being a hot head and mad that he wasnt given the entire track to race like he likes it seems that if anyone tries to challenge the stewart the great they either get crashed or he will talk trash about them well hummm we may never know what the story is we can only make our own cuz nascar will never tell us what goes on its like the billon dollar boys club and were not worthy…
thank you all for listening to my ranting and raving.
chris kelley
racing fan.
sunmom13,
We do not know ‘for a fact’ that they have met other than our sources telling us they have been discudding what to do regarding Busch’s penalty. What’s peculiar is that NASCAR usually announces a penalty by this point in the week.
It’s possible that nothing will be announced and there will not be a penalty. In this editor’s opinion that would be absurd.
I’ll tell you this: they were going to suspend him…now something has happened apparently.
Roger Penske is a powerful and persuasive person so we’ll see.
$$$…that’s what probably happend!! This sucks….they better do something!! It’s crazy to think you can be as crazy of a driver on pit road as he was & nothing will happen!! If I was that pit crew member I would be pissed!!!!
I think anyone that has a problem with the possibility of ONLY ONE RACE needs to contact NASCAR in some form or matter.
That crew member could of lost both his legs if he wasnt paying attention, its one thing to spin somebody out on pit road, but to slam into someone elses car while a crew guy is looking at damage is worse than wrecking someone on track.
No no no no… I believe there will be a penalty and I believe it will be stiff and severe! Kurt is not popular, in fact he is pretty much hated by the majority of Nascar fans. If his penalty is not severe, there will be a huge outcry from Nascar Nation. Maybe even some boycotting going on. Nascar ratings are already starting to suffer. Lack of a penalty towards Busch would drop them more.
sunmom13-I met him at Watkins. I’m the one who got him to come over,
actually. He signed autographs while NBC’s cameras were on them, and
then didn’t even give a wave or even a backward glance to the fans
as he left simultaneously with the cameras.
nascar needs to let tony just beat the ever livin dog snot out of him
interesting, isn’t it, that there is a delay on a suspension/penalty announcement of a driver whose owner sits on the board of directors of ISC, the sister corporation of NASCAR?
This is baffling Editor. You would think they would say
something one way or the other..Many would like to know
I just hope when they do make their decision known that
they explain themselves thoroughly.
nah, 26fan…if kurt busch wants to be a 3400 lbs bully, fine. then put busch in a room with Coach Gibbs and 3400 lbs of the Redskin lineup and give him a taste of him own medicine.
they should show the burton kenseth races from texas an dover on how to races cleanly then none of this mess would have happened. kurt should sit out one race for that shit he pulled. if he pulled that shit at a local track he wooda been kicked out for the year. i hope nascar does somthin about this officially. id have the whole restr of the competition boycott if they dont do nothin. bill jrs funeral stuff might be delayin them. which is understandable.
Yes, IMHO it would be very disappointing if they end up doing nothing.
But we’re going to stand by our story…I think we’ll see something coming down on KB.
to sunmom13, google this story and read what all the other sites have written and the posts on them. Your BRAT boy Busch is in some serious “dog snot” already! No explanation is necessary. Put your glasses on and watch the video again. What Busch did was wreckless endangerment!! I vote that his current points get a negative sign in front! As well as be suspended for the rest of the season and I hope Penske comes to the relization they need to replace the bozo Busch if they want to salvage their reputation. Miller Lite should pull their sponsorship. That’s my 2 cents.
Oh, and FYI, I’m a major Jr fan. If he pulled a complete d__khead
move like that, I’d be lobbying for his season-long suspension as well.
When someone does something like this, it’s not a matter of driver
favorites. It’s a matter of common sense, his ultimate lack of use of
it, and what it could of done to Tony’s jackman. And, I hate to use
him as an example because it opens the window for people to say “Ah
see, you want them to go easier on Jr”, but it IS true that Jr gets
fined/docked/loses his crewman so hard [[or any other driver in that
position]] for a minor mistake, and Kurt Busch endangers someone’s
life and gets a one race sit-down? I’m not even saying anything about
lessening Jr’s penalty, just saying that doesn’t quite balance out.
Remember the last time Busch pulled a brainless stunt? Crown Royal didn’t want anything more to do with the punk. I’ll guess the delay is that Lite is having the same concerns. You can’t be an alcohol sponsor and have your Driver driving wrecklessly.
Stretch: That was a beautiful example of give & take between Burton & Kenseth . . .
what is up with this delay? poor roger penske needs to find a sub if kurt is indeed suspended.
this is getting right suspicious.
Breanna and Solly I NEVER said what Kurt did was right..
Jeez..take a deep breath and chill..My goodness..READ my posts..
No matter what you say I’m still a fan of Kurt’s..I just want to know
what’s happening..
Breanna when Carl Edwards side slammed Jr during that Busch race
at MIS last August during a caution and just missed hitting his hand..
What did Nascar do? I honestly don’t remember..
O.K. so I have met Kurt more times then you can count on your house’s centipede so I guess (according to his few fans) that gives me the right to talk about him any way I want. Why is he more fan friendly than any other driver just because he signs autographs? Actually Miller Lite makes him do those hauler signings and if you don’t believe me then why is a PR person paid by Miller always with him? Lets get to that other only remaining ace you KBFans always throw out at Jr fans. Yes he has got the single title that Jack helped him win in ‘04. BUT we are not talking about the talent Kurt has today now are we?
When will Kurt learn that he just can’t do what he wants to others? He has lost many fans over the years and from what I understand they are dropping like flies over this last incident. To those remaining fans go ahead and stick by him all you want. Just remember while you are defending him the next time I will be rooting for a driver who lets his professional driving record speak for itself. Some of you non Kurt fans should join his free site at kurtbusch.com and read all the crap his few fans think about Tony, Kevin, Jeff, Jr and even his little brother. Thats right they bash Kyle on that site every other day it seems. That is unexcusable and the reason why most Kurt fans are deserving of a little hazing the next time you see one. Tell them Kyle is better and watch them drop their head because they know its true. Ask Kurt because he will admit his brother is better. Ask people who raced them in Las Vegas and they will tell you Kyle has always been better then Kurt including the respect that Tony now has for him and not Kurt.
It would be absurd to sit KB down a race. Stewart was beating and banging all day and Kurt finally had enough! I dont condone what Busch did on pitrow, but he saw the jackman working on the car. He was never in any danger..
I recall several incidents in the past couple of years that were far worse and Nascar did nothing. If there is any justice, Nascar will leave this alone!
after reading several post,on this site,i have figured it out…Kurt Bush simply ran out of cars to hit, so he decided to hit a human ,maybe he didnt see him,[not a chance],as an avid nascar fan for 15yrs, if never seen drivers as reckless as kurt and kyle bush,i think the senoir EARNHARDT would definatley have somethuing to say to nascar about these two non racecar driving ,goofy looking ,wannabees,..if nascar thinks one race is enough,shame on them [lets see mike helton on pit road with a racecar aimming for him,move his feet that fast]i dont think he wouldnt think it is not serious ,is his life worth more than 1 race.kurt would be drving go-carts again…cmon nascar get this 1 right……our thoughts and prayers go out to the FRANCE FAMILY on the loss of a great man,,nascar will never be the same..gods speed
RJ - Nascar does not need fans like you, Why don’t you and your budy Busch go have your own pity party.
No no no dear, I realize that, I wasn’t trying to sound like I was
bashing you and I’m sorry if I did;; I have no problem with you being
a fan of whomever you please. I just meant that I have indeed met him
and that’s a large part of why I don’t like him.
I actually don’t think I saw that race. Our local dirt track runs on
Saturday, so I miss more Busch races than I’d like because we can’t
always afford tapes to record them on. I don’t believe they did
anything at all though, which also wasn’t right on their part.
Nascar’s really not good at all with keeping a level playing field in
regards to penalties dealt.
No, if there is any justice Nascar will get off it’s a__ and start
here because this is a very serious incident, and will continue to
penalize drivers accordingly.
And don’t worry, I’m sure Mr. [[a__hole]] Penske is doing a great job
of threatening and bribing Nascar and nothing is going to come of this
anyway.
ughhh ESPN2 has just announced that Nascar will NOT announce a decision until
FRIDAY..
I like Kurt, but this can’t go unpunished. NASCAR has been preaching safety every since Big
E passed. Love the comments on how Smoke should beat him up and everything. Also, why not get
Harvick and Spencer involved as well. That would look really good. Isn’t that what we are
aiming for here? Beating up Kurt. Dude, no one has to lay a hand on him because he gets it from
the media, fans, and other drivers constantly. Yeah, he brings it on himself with his antics,
but he is….or was getting much better. But if anyone…and I mean ANYONE…doesn’t think that
there is a double standard in NASCAR, you need to pull your head out of your (fill in the blank).
Would this public outcry happen if it was Junior…Harvick….or just go ahead and fill in any
“good ole boy” and get back to me. Were people screaming when Harvick was dancing on hoods? No,
that was Harvick being Harvick. Fans were petitioning to lighten the punishment on Spencer when
he punched Kurt. I agree what he did is unexcusable, and needs to be punished, but the season
suspension stuff is rediculous. Also, don’t give me the stuff about Kurt walking away with the
media when signing autographs. That may have happened, and I am sorry for you Breanna, but Kurt
is always at his hauler signing autographs and was sick as a dog the day he stayed out for
around 2 hours to sign my autograph. Hot temper, short fuse, but a good guy. Kind a sounds like
someone else huh?
The reason this is all being made such a big deal is the fact that he is one of the Busch Brothers. If it had of been Jeff Gordon or Dale, Jr. they would swept it under the rug a long time ago. Kurt is being made the scapegoat and Tony is coming off as usual as Mother Theresa. I realize that was kind of dumb to go on pit road like he did but the thing is he didn’t hit anybody and what ifs aren’t worth a damn. His having to sit out and lose points on Monday was enough. My guess is everyone is feeling the heat from the #2 Miller Lite Dodge so if we get him out of the way they maybe Jeffy and Little D or maybe even Tony could win one.
All you people should stop bashing Kurt Busch He is a great Driver and should not be suspended Go KURT BUSCH You RULE!!!!!
Solly why don’t you take your two cents and go buy a Jr. or Gordo jacket
Hey former Busch fan….little Busch envy there. Talk about your haters.
yes mergie that would be better
I think Kurt is a punk, and what he did was definetely wrong. But, how many times over just the last few years have we seen someone do the same exact thing? We have seen Tony spin Jeff Gordon out on pit road just a few years ago, mind you this was after the race when it was filled with crew members, officials, media, and drivers. NASCAR needs to be consistent. PS. Kurt needs to stop messing with these bigger guys. See Jimmy Spencer.
Anthony are you blind. he could have seriously hurt Stewarts Jackman. Kurt should be sat down for at least 4 races and docked points. Thats way he wil learn. This isnt the first time he has done stupid shit. Remember back 2 years ago when he got booted from roush?
MWR Racing Fan that was back in 2000 or 2001 long time ago……..but yes stewart got penalized for it even tough nascar wasnt nearly as concearned with safety cause earnhardt hadnt died yet.
I have seen where its been reported that Kurt will sit out one race…..there has been no confirmation of that so that kinda worries me. He was way out of line and deserves to sit for more than one race. I hope Nascar does the right thing and penalize him for his actions on pit road. And by the way, Jr. has enough sense not to put himself in such a situation SC Boy!!
James he wanted out of Roush, and Roush let him. Although, he was sat the last two races for arguing with a Jeff Gordon loving cop who said he had alcohol on his breath. He blew under the legal limit, and still got hammered. Another example of double standard. Is anyone aware of Michael Waltrips recent drunk driving incident? No? Hmmmm, I didn’t think so. Wonder why people don’t hear about guys like little Mikey. Yes, what he did was stupid. He will get punished, but you can’t deny the double standard in NASCAR. If his name was Kurt Waltrip or Kurt Earnhardt, this would have ended after the race Monday.
Wa Wa Wa, just when racing gets interesting people friek out over a small incident that resulted in aboslutely no one
getting hurt…lets drop the topic and move on.
Former Busch Fan are you a FORMER member of Kurt’s board ?
Have we chatted? If we have that wasn’t your screenname then..
Hi SC Boy ..Does the sc stand for Stock Car or South Carolina? I love Darlington !
We’ve gone there the last 3 years..We will be back next year
Breanna that’s cool that you go to the local dirt track..
I use to love to go to ours when I was a little girl
MWR..Nascar has been VERY inconsistant..we also saw Carl Edwards spin out ..
I can’t remember who on pit road..lol..also saw him about take off Jr’s
hand at MIS..no outcry..
Anthony..I agree no matter what GO KURT !!!
If I were Kurt I would have been upset also. Tony drives like an A$$hole all the time and it about time
someone stood up to him. Go Kurt
former Busch Fan,
Miller does NOT MAKE Kurt sign at every race!! he
has signed at every race since starting in NASCAR!!
and the ‘Miller Lite’ rep you see isn’t a ML rep,
its Tom Roberts, Kurt’s PR guy!! all you Kurt haters
need to back off!!
Hey Mike..and we got to wait til FRIDAY..Anyone going to Pocono ?
If they see a Miller Hauler they could let us know..then Kurt will be
racing..if not then he won’t..
i will always support Kurt
Terri, I agree with you 100%. I couldn’t see Junior pulling a stunt like that. I have nothing but respect for Junior. He never said a bad word about his step-mom during everything that happened with him, when Harvick made comments about his mom never being at the track he never said a word, when Kyle Busch crashed in the back of him in a race earlier this year, he didn’t say one bad word about him, and then drove his car for him. Yes, Kurt should be pentalized for his actions. Stewart has had his moments, but this situation would not be this huge if it was him in Jurts shoes.
SC Boy for those who have NOT listened to Tony’s scanner..
Tony has had it out for Kurt , this has been going on for some time
and I would like to ask anyone who KNOWS..Why Stewart was bent on pushing
Kurt’s buttons..
SC Boy-I’m not sorry I didn’t get his autograph, I just have a loud mouth
so I was the one calling all the drivers over. And he almost kept
walking til I shouted “Hey Kurt, your brother was good enough to
come sign autographs even though he was in a bad mood, so what’s your
problem?” Then he noticed the cameras. Oh and FYI, they’re required
to do that at their haulers by their sponsors because they sell more
merchandise. It’s when they’re walking along pit road at the tracks
that they have a choice in the matter. The only one who was worse
than Busch was Newman. As has already been stated several times by
several people, self-included, it wouldn’t matter what driver it was.
In response to the last part of your statement, I beg your pardon, but
I rather disliked Harvick for over a year after that, and he’s usually
in my top 5 of drivers. None of what any other driver did has been as
dangerous as this, regardless.
And just because Nascar has effed up in the past doesn’t mean they
don’t have to start somewhere. If Jr had done this, I’d still say
start with this one. They have to start if they’re ever going to
keep going. They should sit him out for a minimum of three races and
take a minimum of $100K and 100 points in my opinion, and keep that
as consistent for each sitaution where a driver endangers another
person’s life.
Sunmom, its South Carolina. Thank the good Lord NASCAR didn’t take both of Darlington’s races.
Just because he hasn’t been signed with Miller Lite since he joined
Nascar doesn’t mean merchandise hauler signing isn’t sponsor-mandated.
I’m sure Rubbermaid, Sharpie, and Irwin all have relatively the same
policies there.
Breanna..I’ve been there.. Kurt actually enjoys seeing his fans
If it is mandated , Kurt don’t mind and he’s got good people working for him
at the hauler..and may I add that the couple that run his hauler
are sweethearts..We were at Richmond and I kind of got my feelings hurt
and my husband says to me . Let’s go to Kurt’s souvie hauler and
the first thing that one of them says to me is “SMILE ” and I did..
at the hauler..It’s my opinion that if you got good people surrounding you
you can’t be all that bad..not perfect..but not bad..
Breanna, I have usually heard good things about him signing autographs. He throws temper tantrums on the track, but he is usually very nice off the track. I agree maybe with the 100k and 100 points. What is 100k to these guys? 3 races may not be out of the question, but I think it will be more like the one he just sat out and one more.
Breanna, 3 races, 100k and 100 points may be pretty close to what he gets in my opinion.
“SUNMOM” kurt sucks, he can’t drive period. the only reason he is the only one that still signs autographs at his hauler, is because he hardly has any to sign. all the other haulers are full of REAL NASCAR fans. All the other drivers would be way to busy
Nicholas..Sorry to tell you but Kurt has places to go and
people to see..He’s one of the biggest talents out
there..That’s why Tony is so intent on wrecking him
sunmom13-Eh usually I give drivers the benefit of the doubt about their off-
track personality, as I did with the elder Busch, but his behavior at
Watkins stripped him of that for me. And I’d actually gotten so I
didn’t mind him because he appeared to have matured, but I just find
this inexcusable. I mean I understand everyone loses their temper,
self-included. But this is someone’s life, y’know? I don’t know, I just
can’t wrap my head around that idea as being rational. Perhaps he is
still a nice guy off the track and I just caught him on a particularly
busy day or something and mistook his actions, but I don’t think anyone
with that much of a lack of self-control should be driving a racecar.
Atleast not without being taught a lesson after something like this.
I feel the need to comment, by the way: Thank you for not being one of
these pig-headed people you quite often see on these boards. There’s
enough without adding more haha.
Good one Nicholas. Surprised you didn’t finish that with Nanny Nanny Boo Boo.
SC BOY You never answered me on what the SC stands for..
Nascar is waiting until after France’s funeral to make an announcement.
I am going to make a guess that the punishment for Kurt
will be unpopular to the masses..otherwise they would have made the announcement today
before tomorrows funeral..so I say considering the presidents that Nascar has already
set ( Carl edwards..Tony Stewart ) that Kurt will get off light..
Summom13, yeah I did. Up top about 7 posts. South Carolina. Joined the military and have been all over since.
“To quote Busch’s press release, “I raced the guy all day long and for some reason he just didn’t give an inch.” That is what is called racing, sir.” -CML, are serious? I heard Tony say the same thing last year. In fact I remember Tony saying it’s about give & take (which Tony honestly & irrefutably did not do for Kurt) so don’t go trying to twist s*** around. I don’t care how long you’ve been in the “racing media”, that was as dumb a remark as that quote you’re trying to spin by Kurt. Just brilliant on your part. I’m glad you’re not a fan of Kurt’s. I wouldn’t want you trying to explain what happened in a race to me.
Former Busch Fan you are a joke. My best & closest friends don’t have a right to talk about me any way they want so what makes you so special to talk about Kurt. You’re just trying to stir the pot like you know something. Especially by making those comments about Kurt’s website & his fans. Duh. Those are his fans. What you don’t think that those kinds of words & sentences aren’t being posted on other driver’s pages about their competitors? What’s being said about Kurt in this forum? The same thing you are bashing the fans on his site for that’s what. You are a s***talker & I’m glad you’re not a fan of Kurt’s too. I wouldn’t want you around me since you obviously no nothing of tact.
To everyone that feels like they deserve to bash ANY driver I’m calling you out. Likes/dislikes. Whatever you wanna call it, a lot of comments I’m reading on here are just pure stupidity mixed w/some absent mindedness. Come back down to earth people. Like Tony hasn’t raced out of the pits to INTENTIONALLY wreck someone before? Get a grip.
Kurt seems very personable off the race track. But you get him in that car he is like a wild man. Granted, he is a good driver but he can’t control his temper and does stupid things behind the wheel. He always blames the other guy and takes no responsibility for happenings on the track.
That is not so, Kurt will always give an interview and no matter what happens he is personable and he unlike Tony Stewart and Montoya will say when it was his fault. He admitted the pit road thing was dumb and he said when he and Kyle got together that he should have given an inch. He is a very driven agressive driver much like the Elder Earnhardt and this past crash by Tony just caused the powder keg to ignite. Go back, how many times this year has Tony alone cost Kurt good finishes and possible wins.
Breanna What did Kurt do at the Glenn ? I remember last year he won
over Robby Gordon at the Busch race..That was an exciting race and they shook hands afterwards..
Reminded me of Ricky Craven and Kurt at Darlington in 2003..Those are the kind of races that
they use to describe ” rubbin is racin “That’s the kind of racing these Guys love and so do the fans.
The cup race..was that the one with the light..That one was frustrating..
Most of the drivers felt that something should be done about the light..Jeff Gordon got caught the year before..It’s hard when you know you’ve got the car to win and you get caught on pit road.
Thanks..I try not to be to pig headed..lol..just don’t get me started on the
top 35 rule..my other driver is one of the go or go homers..
There’s no mistaken where many people get the stereotype that NASCAR fans are ignorant hicks. They go to this message board and read what some of you are writing. Kurt Busch showed no class in what he did hitting another classless driver. There is as much chance of Jeff Gordon, Dale Jr., the more modern K. Harvick, J. Johnsonand Carl Edwards pulling this stunt on pit road as Mark Martin, Dale Jarrett, or Kyle Petty. These guys all have too much class and respect the sport and the teams way too much than to do something like this on pit road. Kurt will never grow upand will never learn from this stuff because he is a guy who has zero respect for the foundation of the sport. He knows the PR role he is supposed to serve and likes the fact he can be mentioned in the same company as the other above mentioned drivers. He and Kyle are two of the most skilled drivers on the circuit but if they left, the sport would forget them in 3-5 years. Why do you think it is they have a smaller fan base than some part time drivers? Is it the NASCAR fans fault? Oh wait, lets blame Jr. or Gordon or Martin for stealing all the fans with their class. Or maybe it was CArl Edwards’ fault for being acrobatic and the Busch brothers lack of flashy talent. I know, I know, these are all ridiculous arguments, kind of like blaming Kurt Busch’s run in with the law on Jeff Gordon. How do you people write these things and feel like you made a point? NASCAR has done an awesome job of tightening the reigns recently on rules violators and continue to evolve their rules based on the blatant violations which continue. I am certain K. Busch saw the jackman and missed him on purpose, but he didn’t see if someone was working on the other side of the car. To compare this to Stewart spinning Gordon on pit road or anything Kenseth and Gordon doing on the track is like a mother trying to justify what her kid being bad because of a cartoon or video game teaches them that. Kurt Busch should be sat for one race and fined $100K and lose 100 points period. I don’t believe Penske should lose owners points and the rest of the Blue Deuce team should not be punished either. This was a decision made by an individual placing his own personal vendetta over the success of the rest of the team. While I am not Jr. fan, I do believe NASCAR is harder on him than they are on other drivers so they can prove they don’t play favorites. The incident where he said shit a couple years ago in Talledega where he lost 25 points is case and point. It is also an example of how NASCARS sensitivity is going up with the increased exposure. The prior year when Gordon got Wallace loose at Bristol to win his first race that year, in the post race interview, Wallace joked (or so it appearred as joking) that he wanted to get to Gordon’s rear so he could, “knock the shit” out of him. Nothing happened. My hats off to NASCAR and truly the only way they can get this one right is to sit Busch. The Busch’s need NASCAR way more than NASCAR needs them. Although, they do make great villains and are pretty fun to root against.
WELL SAID NSCRFAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
About the only part of your argument I agree with is that people love to hate them and that is the reason this is being debated over and over again. And I am sure because it one of the Busch Brothers Nascar will make a martyr out of them. He should get fined and lose drivers points and let it be. Although I to realize most people want him to sit for at least one race I guess that way you all can make sure he will not be able to make the Chase. That’s probably what they have had in mind all along.
Hahahahaha, gigolo george you’re a dumb-a**. I remember when Stewart got loose & Kurt hit him from behind. They took them both out. I remember seeing a very apologetic Busch on t.v. after the wreck. He wasn’t even responsible for the driver error in the 20’s car. GO KURT!! The same attitude that people can’t stand on here about Busch is exactly what made Sr. so popular. Say what you want but I have heard it. What’s the saying? “If you don’t hit the wall sometimes then you’re not trying hard enough.” We can nickel & dime the drivers we don’t like all day but in the end what is it that we have in common? Being race fans or whores?
I think that if the suspension is handed down to Kurt then Tony needs to be on the receiving end as well. Tony ramed into Kurt after he was already sideways and that was as usafe and as agressive as what Kurt did. The rules should apply to everyone…I dont agree with what Kurt did but Tony is no Saint and should be punished as well…..
Im 100% with sunmom.
I am curious. Are any of you current KB fans old Rusty fans? I agree gypsy, they have skills, but you are way off when saying NASCAR will make a martyr of them. NASCAR would do the same here no matter who did this. I can’t believe you would say his penalty is based on who he is. The thing is, I know of very few drivers who I would suspect would pull this bonehead stunt. Did you feel as sorry for Jimmy Spencer when he socked Busch in the nose and he got sat for a race? Is he a martyr? Did Busch not spin him on purpose to bring out a caution in the allstar that year? And I forgot, what happened to the gypsy proclaimed “martyr” that year. NOTHING! If it makes him a martyr, maybe he will gain more fans.
Umm, NSCRFAN, Nascar wouldn’t do anything to this day if what Wallace said was on cable & not local t.v. Different rules their. I respectfully disagree w/the majority of what you said but felt the same way (”There’s no mistaken where many people get the stereotype that NASCAR fans are ignorant hicks.”) when I started to read this thread.
I admit right away, I am a Stewart fan… im not always proud of my favorite drivers actions on the track. But in this case, it was not his problem… on track or off. He absolutely IS an aggressive driver. He is a GOOD aggressive driver. He is one of the closest in personalities to the much loved, departed, but highly respected Earnhardt Sr. aka “The Intimidator” on the track. Stewart raced Kurt Busch, and held is ground, just like Kurt races against him (Tony DOES say alot about give & take, but if a driver never gives for you, why should you return the favor? DUH). Either Kurt blew it, or his spotter blew it… he was NOT clear to go up on the track. He might think Tony would give him the spot, but until his spotter says clear…. how much do you assume at 180mph? This isnt BASHING for anyone that may think so, this is common sense. You’d hardly need a spotter if everyone GAVE you room.. again DUH.
Unlike Stewart, I admit Kurt makes himself accessible to the fans. Lets 100 people sign up for 6 hours before he shows up, to sit in line for hours waiting for him to sign 100 autographs at one of his concession trailers each race. Its amazing that a guy that wants to and appears to be that friendly. Would lower himself to such actions. If they do not suspend Kurt for these actions in the pits, then what kind of message is NASCAR sending to its drivers? Money and points dont mean much to alot of these drivers, might to Kurt, but not all of them. He should be sitting out at least one race so everyone knows whats in store for them if they do anything like this… Kurt doesnt like being an example? He should have thought about it a little bit more first, hindsight is always easier than foresight. We know these guys get rough on the track back and forth, but in the pits where those other than the drivers involved are at risk is absolutely irresponsible. On the bright side, for his fans… he’ll be around more on race weekend for autographs if hes not racing, thats how I got Waltrips autograph!
Dreggsta - Rusty said it at the post race interview on Fox or NBC… And SimRacer - I want to mute the TV everytime I hear give and take out of Tony’s mouth or even see one of his interviews. I will say Kurt, Tony, Harvick, Biffle and even Robby Gordon are as talented drivers as has ever driven a car regarding controlling their rides, but I just assume see any of the above drivers finish last in a race than any where else. They all have “brat” issues. Although, Harvick has grown up a lot recently. I also am not sure how so many of you compare the ontrack incident and teh pit road incident as if they are equal issues.
OnlineSimRacer, “Tony DOES say alot about give & take, but if a driver never gives for you, why should you return the favor? DUH.” The problem there is that Tony just takes unless it’s his teammates. Just keeping things fair & honest but that is what I see him do a lot. I’m sure that is one of the reason’s you like your driver so no offense. It’s one of the qualities I like. It’s just spoiled when something like “give/take” is said.
“Unlike Stewart, I admit Kurt makes himself accessible to the fans. Lets 100 people sign up for 6 hours before he shows up, to sit in line for hours waiting for him to sign 100 autographs at one of his concession trailers each race. Its amazing that a guy that wants to and appears to be that friendly. Would lower himself to such actions.” -I guess that “This isn’t BASHING for anyone that may think so”, right?
LOL…..Dreggsta comparing Kurt to Dale Sr…….not even close honey!!!! Now that’s funny!
NSCRFAN
Nope I’m not an old Rusty fan..I have nothing against him..
been asked if I was one cause I’m a couple years younger than Rusty
but always been a Kurt fan since I came back to Nascar.
Do you guys remember when Stewart wrecked Rusty and flipped him off?
Rusty said he wanted to put that finger up Stewart’s hind end..OMG..lol
Tony knows how to push buttons and unfortunately Kurt fell for it..
NSCRFAN, seriously not trying to argue here but you asked. On track: Stewart plowed into Kurt after The 2 came up on the 20. Man inside vehicle sliding at high speed sideways unable to jump out of the way. Unsafe & deliberate by the 20. On pit road: 2 car comes sliding up to the side of the 20 slowing down to a stop short of bumping crewman that wasn’t confined in a car & able to jump out of the way. Potential disaster (of the 20’s crewman) is way more scrutinized than the fact that the 2 was pinned down by the 20. Case in point. Need I say more?
I, like many, are not saying he shouldn’t be pentalized. I admit that going into someones pit was stupid adn could have injured someone badly. Some people are asking for him to be gone for the rest of the year. That is too much. Agree that money doesn’t mean a lot to these guys. Points do! With the safety at the top of NASCAR’s list, they will send a message. NSCRFAN, did you hear anything this year about Michael Waltrip’s charge with reckless driving, failure to report an incident, and alcohol possibly being involved. Don’t worry, no one did? Wonder why?
Dreggsta, you talk a lot of s__t for someone who never says anything.
You just, in effect, said “I’m calling out all s__t talkers, even
though I’m doing the same thing now.” How bout you get in a fight
with yourself and knock some sense into yourself? Part of Nascar is
opinions and everyone is entitled to theirs, not just you. As to your
later comment, what made Sr popular to his true fans, self-included,
was that he would go out and drive as hard as the rest of them. But
he took responsibility for it. He didn’t pussyfoot around, and he came
from the old class of drivers who grew up in an age where that was the
norm. Almost all of the drivers in that era of stock car racing were
brought up to drive rough and tumble because when you were coming up
through the local ranks, you had to make the money or you didn’t come
the next week. Things have changed. A lot.
sunmom13-I was again referring to when he would only sign autographs
while the cameras were there. I honestly care more about a driver’s
off-track personality and what I see of it than I do about their
talent when it comes to liking them, cuz I can’t bring myself to root
for someone I view as a prick. Hence the fact I was never one for
John Andretti or Robby Gordon, but I am now because they were too
of the most personable guys I met as was Max Papis.
NSCRFAN-I agree with almost everything you said. I don’t agree that
Nascar is doing great with it’s rules and regulations, however. But
that’s a “to each his/her own” kind of argument. But other than that,
well said.
gypsyrose-Are you really that ignorant? I don’t give a d__n if he makes the
Chase or not. I say get rid of the championship and that way the guys
will just go out and race without worrying about points. I care that
he endangered the life of another person. And don’t say “Oh he saw him
and missed him on purpose.” You do NOT drive a car towards another
person, period. It’s just stupid.
Rick-From the tape I saw, Kurt moved up in front of Tony too early.
Now I’m not saying he did that on purpose at all;; something like that
is usually spotter error. I mean if you do that you’re going to spin,
so no driver would clip someone like that on purpose. But he was right
in front of Tony, and they go at a pretty good clip at Dover for being
on only a one mile track. It’s harder to get stopped than you apparently
seem to think.
OnlineSimRacer-THANK YOU.
The 2 was being pushed by the 20 on the track after the wreck after the yellow was thrown. Tha’ts pretty dangerous & pretty serious don’t you think?
Dreggsta…I don’t think you were watching the same race as the rest of us!….Kurt is wrong so just admit it honey!
Dreggsta I don’t know what race you were watching but I sure didn’t see that and I’m sure the rest didn’t either. Kurt was wrong!
Yes it is, and I apparently missed that part [[I had to look it up on
youtube and I have dialup so the videos take awhile to load]]. I think
Tony should get something for that because that’s not right either. But
the more pressing matter to me is still Kurt’s actions on pit road.
Wrecks are just part of racing to me, that part doesn’t really bother
me. S__t happens, y’know? But I can’t pardon him for his post-wreck
antics, regardless of what Tony or anyone else has done in the past.
That jackman certainly hasn’t done anything.
Serious, but so not the same thing. These guys are well protected in those cars and although Tony is a jerk and has double standards for his crimes and everyone else’s, I have to believe even he wouldn’t do this on pit road. KB should thank his lucky stars he didn’t hurt anyone on either side of that car. Instead of arguing for no suspension, they would be arguing for his right to even race in the big leagues again. I don’t think you would have much to say either. It is all really a non-issue since no one was hurt, but I think they need to set a precedent with the punishment to deter anyone from doing this again. I think Miller Lite should get involved too similar to what Home Depot did to Tony a few years ago. Obviously you KB fans aren’t going to agree with me, and good for you for sticking by your guy. But I have to tell you, if my driver did this, call me a fairweather fan, but I would not be a fan any longer.
One of the things I’ve been trying to say is this vendetta that
Tony has had with Kurt has been going on for a few races..
Ask anyone who has been listening to Tony’s scanner..Nascar has known this
..they listen too and have not done anything to Mr Stewart except
put him on probation for not going to the media center after a race..If
Nascar wants to be consistant they need to punish both..not just the
one..
I wish they would let them duke it out after the races personally. Hockey at least does something right. Congrats to Ducks fans! If the fight rule were initiated, Jimmy Spencer would be able to find a ride again.
Sticks and Stones may hurt Kurt’s bones, but cars can hurt a jackman… Who cares if they hate each other. Tony hates Kyle Busch, Casey Mears, Brian Vickers, Juan Pablo, John Andretti, (insert driver’s name here). It’s okay and it is who he is. Keep it on the track.
Breanna, thank you for reminding me what I said. Now allow me to remind you of what you said “I just have a loud mouth.” That is what you said to SC Boy isn’t it? I’m not making this about anyone or their views until they decide to make as boneheaded a satement as they feel Kurt did on the track. I too get fed up w/the ones who have nothing real to say. BTW, I haven’t talked dirt to anyone so in affect I can’t be doing the same thing to myself as you said. You just happened to take it personal. Seriously, fight myself, lol. I feel like I do sometimes, hehe.
Let’s see, what else did you say. “Part of Nascar is
opinions and everyone is entitled to theirs, not just you.” That’s true but let’s have some dignity shall we. After all, I crave intellgent debate, not belligerent scoffing.
“As to your
later comment, what made Sr popular to his true fans, self-included…” , No need to preach to me about this. See above. As for the responsibilty he took, yeh he took responsibilty for the people he wrecked, he boasted it (umm, since were bringing up the obvious that’s why he got the name “The Intimidator” cause if you held him up you would spin). Not alot of people liked that, remember? Remember when he spun T. Labonte at Bristol for the win & how as many fans were cheering his win as many were booing? Sr’s ways will be missed but he wasn’t a saint by any means but that was why so many people liked him, myself included.
Breanna’s post:
“Dreggsta, you talk a lot of s__t for someone who never says anything.
You just, in effect, said “I’m calling out all s__t talkers, even
though I’m doing the same thing now.” How bout you get in a fight
with yourself and knock some sense into yourself? Part of Nascar is
opinions and everyone is entitled to theirs, not just you. As to your
later comment, what made Sr popular to his true fans, self-included,
was that he would go out and drive as hard as the rest of them. But
he took responsibility for it. He didn’t pussyfoot around, and he came
from the old class of drivers who grew up in an age where that was the
norm. Almost all of the drivers in that era of stock car racing were
brought up to drive rough and tumble because when you were coming up
through the local ranks, you had to make the money or you didn’t come
the next week. Things have changed. A lot.”
I flare up quickly when people speak ill of Dale Sr because, to put
it quite bluntly, he’s dead. I don’t believe in speaking badly about
deceased people whatsoever.
And I also come into these boards looking for the person who appears
to be bashing people, and then end up joining the ranks. Call it my
hot-headedness I guess. I did go rather on hard on you, so I apologize.
Also went from a bad mood to a good mood throughout this afternoon/
night. And yes, I definitely have a loud mouth hahaha like no one
would believe. As I said, I have no problem with what Kurt did on the
track;; it looked, to me, to be spotter error. And I understand that
Nascar plays favorites and Busch has been wronged in the past and
Tony’s not perfect either [[though yes, I am a fan of his, he's 2nd
to Jr in my book]]. But it’s a real quick way to push my buttons to
say “Oh if this were this this or this driver, nobody would be in an
uproar.” And enough ignorant people on this board seem to have made
the assumption that all fans are as ignorant as they are, to think
that way.
I, too, crave intelligent
debate. Which sometimes makes me wonder why I bother with some of the
people on here but meh, it’s nice watching them fall into a hole. =]
Cheers.
I can’t beleive I’ve actually read through all these comments. But, I did. And I think you ALL suck! (except maybe Alex Foley) You are all a bunch of little people with little minds. So, put that in your pipe and SMOKE it. Yeah,#20 RULES!!! C-YA! (In my mirror). By the way, Tiffanny, if you are still out there, will you marry me?
Ah, so going back to the subject of ignorant people… here’s one
now.
haha Axel, you have your own fan club now man =].
Oh my gosh, it’s incredible! The amount of “my driver can do no wrong” in here….I had the race Tivo’ed, and I watch both incidents a regular and super slo-mo several times. There is no question about either incident.
On the track, four car push, front three Kurt, Tony and the Biff. Biff got into Kurt from behind and gave him extra momentum. Kurt got beside Tony and on the straightaway got ALMOST in front of him, but not all the way. Tony was against the wall, no where to go as the Biff had drafted up behind Tony, obviously thinking Tony would stay in front of Kurt on the outside. When Kurt came over, he clipped Tony. It happended way to fast for Tony to slow down because he was trying to control his car and could not motion Biff to slow down. After the initial contact, Biff then got slightly into the back of Tony and pushed him through Kurt. You can see Tony’s car stop it’s deceleration and speed up from Biff’s push. Kurts car spun so close in front of the 20 car there was no way to avoid clipping him again as he tried to go left and avoid Kurt…Tony went an entire gracing groove to the left to avoid Kurt, but couldn’t.
In the Pits, Tony was at full stop, all four tires in his pit box. His crewman was beside the front right tire getting ready to bend down and start tugging sheet metal off the tire. He was watching for oncoming traffic, and noticed Kurt coming in hot, andhe literally jumped over the hood and landed in front of Tony’s car, leaning against the hood. Kurts car came to a stop in a position that would have 100% pinned or run over the crewman. There was contact, Tony’s car moved about 6 inches forward from the contact. The crewman pointed his arma nd finger at Kurt as if to say “What is your problem? You want a fight, get out of the car!” Then a second crewman quickly walked around the car like a nightclub bouncer. He had a large orange mallet in his hand, and obviolsly looked ready to go after Kurt with it if he tried to get out of the car or use it as a weapon again.
These circumstances are incontravertable. Anyone who watches the events in slo-mo and doesn’t agree is deluded in my opinion. And when you watch the on-track part in slo-mo, you have to remember this was happending at 180 miles an hour and happened in split, not full, seconds…..
For my bonafides, I am a Bill Elliott man through and through….I just wish he had raced with Evernham 10 years earlier. Ray said after his first month of testing with Bill that if they had, Bill would have as many chanpionships as Gordon, if not more.
hey all!
im here too say people wanna talk about aggressive well tony is aggressive and he needs too learn how too give and take and stop slowing people down. i watched every restart and on every restart tony would bump Kurt’s bumper with lap cars on the side tony was looking for this too happen.BUT I DO GOTTA MAKE ONE THING CLEAR WHAT HAPPEN ON PIT ROAD WAS BAD AND HE SHOULD GET IN TROUBLE BUT TOO PUT HIM OUT A RACE FOR 1 WEEK IS FULLISH.isn’t tony on probation until dec 31 is so why isn’t he getting in trouble for driving aggressive i gusse nascar and him are really close. GO KURT GO:) YOU CAN BOUNCH BACK FROM ALL THIS DRAMA AND PLZ DONT DO IT AGAIN:-P
Hey Big Dee, I think your tivo is biased like you. No offense but your rebroadcast of the incident wasn’t that great. I saw what happened thank you. Great one STEPHANIE. That was a perfect touche’ to the dumb comments on here saying that Kurt should burn.
I don’t know why everyone is always making a big deal about Kurt Busch
when he does something agressive!! Tony does agressive things all the Time!!
At least he’s not intimidated by Stewart.
Remember this incident last year with Kurts Brother???…..
NASCAR announced that Kyle Busch, driver of the #5 Kellogg’s Chevy for Hendrick Motorsports, has been fined, penalized points and placed on probation because of a rule infraction this past Sunday during the Coca-Cola 600 at Lowe’s Motor Speedway. Busch was in violation of Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing) of the NASCAR Rule Book. He disobeyed a directive from a NASCAR official, entered the racing surface without authorization and threw an object at another competitor’s car during the event. He has been fined $50,000, penalized 25 Driver Championship points and placed on probation until Dec. 31. The infraction also resulted in car owner Rick Hendrick being penalized 25 Owner Championship points.
Sure that was his brother, but nascar fined and put him on suspension for throwing something at another car… you would think they would do something more than this when it involves an incident that could have killed or taken the legs off of a pit crew member of another team.
Or Remember This….
NASCAR driver Kurt Busch was pulled over in November by Maricopa County, Ariz., sheriff’s deputies. Busch became belligerent, calling the deputies “punks” who “should be directing traffic somewhere,” according to the sheriff’s report. Busch, who had just signed a major sponsorship deal with Miller Lite, refused to complete what he called their “gay-ass” field sobriety test. Busch passed breath tests that night and later apologized to the deputies. In February he made a plea deal on misdemeanor and civil charges.
Busch was sentenced to 50 hours of community service, fined $580 and given seven points on his license after he admitted to speeding, following too closely and passing in a no-passing zone. (At eight points, the state can suspend a driver’s license or require attendance at driving school.)
For his community service, Busch, as part of a charity fundraising effort, signed autographs and threw out the first pitch for a game between the Arizona Diamondbacks and the San Francisco Giants in April, according to his attorney, Lee Stein. Busch also donated $10,000 worth of baseball equipment to the Westside Recreation League in Avondale, Ariz. And he will pay all production and media costs to air a public service TV commercial with himself and Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, warning about the perils of reckless driving.
Kurt was suspended for the final 2 races of the season by Jack Rousch… NOT BY NASCAR.
So maybe Jack Rousch should do the suspension.
This just shows me that it is the Busch family itself that is messed up in the head, not just Kurt.
Additions… Somewhere it didnt post, this was the end of the post.
So, IMHO Penske isnt going to do anything about it, Jack Rousch would have.. So put Rousch on the board to review the situations. My thoughts are Penske isnt anywhere good as Rousch as a person so maybe with Penske being on the board it will get dropped, but if Rousch was there he would have him sitting regardless of NASCARs decision.
Breanna, well I guess I am ignorant but I will defend my driver to the end. I said nothing Ill about Dale Sr. I just compared Kurts desire and drive to win to that of the late, great Sr. As far as being good with his fans. He came to a place called Buffalo Wild Wings last September at the Dover Race with no “cameras” and his wife was with him and he signed autographs and worked the crowd like a true professional. Even people who were self proclaimed Busch haters had to later admit how pleasant and likeable he was. He was there for more than an hour and signed anything anybody shoved at him, posed for pictures and chatted with everybody and anybody as did his wife. How many other drivers do that, I for one have heard of none.
Somehow this all has to be Jr.’s fault for leaving DEI.
NSCRFAN,
i was NEVER a Rusty fan!! NEVER liked the guy and NEVER will!!
i am a Kurt fan through and through!! have been since 2001!!
I never have been able to stand the Busch Brothers. Sorry if I treated my team and compeiters and sponsors the way they did I would have been out of a job a long time ago. Kurt has all teh talent in the world but has the BRAINS of a 2 month old. Nascar needs to get serious about pit road anger before another crew member gets hurt or killed. Right now they have the chance to show that you can beat and bang on the track but do it on in pit road consider yourself DONE. Fair punishment would be 10K in points not this 100 or even 1000 in points make them negative for the YEAR with no chance of ever getting positive for the year. Also sit the driver in question for the rest of the year from ALL Nascar series races. Then fine both the owner and driver 1 to 2 Million bucks each and if they are running a multicar team pull that other car top 35 exception. They have to do something before someone gets killed.
Kurt Busch is one of NASCARS cry babie and for this he should be suspened indefinatly you DONT ENDANGER pitcrew members lives that way there is NO place in racing for this sort of action KURT GO HOME AND WINE TO DADDY we dont want to hear it from you anymore and if I were that Jackman I would have beat your ass after the race!
Ed remember the 2006 Daytona 500 where Stewart gave his ” Someones
going to get killed” rant before the race? So what does Tony
do? He spins out Kennseth onto the grass at 200 mph.. Yep..Now I don’t recall
if Nascar came down on Matt for trying to get back at Stewart..but this is Tony’s mo
DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO and Nascar NEVER reigns him in ! The drivers are sick of it!
AS well as alot of other drivers fans..
Uhh, Ed & Ron, what about Tony staying in the gas pushing Kurt after the caution was thrown. I guess by your standards then Tony should be dealt a more serious blow for recklessly endangering Kurt’s life since Kurt unlike the 20’s crewman couldn’t jump out of the way. It’s all speculation anyways that the crewman would’ve been hurt in the 1st place. Stop giving Tony a free pass & stop doing what you say Kurt is doing by whining about him.
Yes what Smoke did was wrong at Daytona and he did payfor it was taken out in a wreck. However stop comparing apples to oranges. We are talking about a crewmember not protected by a full rollcage HANS device and firesuit with helmet. A crewmember has only a firesuit and a helmet to protect him from a 3400 lb car hitting him and running him over if his jackman had not been paying attention he would have been RUN OVER ON NATIONAL TV. Now were would that have put Nascar.
Nothing personal but I wasn’t referring to Daytona I was referring to the race last week (or Monday I should say), Dover. After Kurt came up on Tony & wrecked them both instead of Tony backing off he stayed in the gas pushing Kurt sideways. That doesn’t sound dangerous to you? Kurt didn’t have the option or ability to jump out of the way like the crewman did & to be honest it it didn’t even appear to be that close. The guy was on the hood before it got “close”. Apples to apples my friend. There hasn’t been anything brought up about the dangerous condition Tony put Kurt in. Forgive me for stating the obvious but isn’t that why you’re supposed to slow down to pit road speed during yellow, to avoid that kind of disposition of a driver? Besides, this isn’t to justify what Kurt did, this is to bring up a fair conversation & unbiased view of what both were wrong for. Tony’s getting off the hook b/c this “close” incident is overshadowing what he did on the track making an unfair scream from people wanting to burn Kurt at the stake. It takes 2 to tango. I show my driver no quarter.
jus suspend kurt an put a stop to all this whinin up here. more people takin shots at each other than actually talkin bout wat happened on pit road monday.
Hell i personally think they should kick Kurt out for the season and Gibbs should charge attempted Murder. He almost hit a man in a motor vehicle thats grounds for atleast attempt. Maybe they will strip him of his 2004 championship as well. any driver willing to risk the life of a jackman just to get even doesnt deserve to be called champ, hes more like a chump to me.
Honestly, im neither a Kurt nor a Tony fan, but it was fun watching what happened. However, it will not go unnoticed the fact of what Kurt did in the pits. I think he should be suspended, if not one, more races. Nobody ever pays attention to the crew guys when they pull a big part in who wins races as well. Kurt put Tony’s guys in danger and should be punished, end of story
Kurt needs to grow up! he think is richard petty or dale earnhardtSr which he is not!!
Well…what Kurt Busch did was wrong. NASCAR needs to take a different approach though…suspending wont do much IMO. Take Kurt and Tony behind a trailer so the media cant see, and let them settle it the way they want. Anyone can use a car in anger and seem like a big bad tough guy, but i bet kurt would have thought twice if he’s standing up to someone bigger than him…and no where to go.
& what would Tony do Rick? S*** himself? He’s as big a whiner as Kurt. Tony & Kurt should both be penalized for their antics. That’s what would really show the other drivers. That not just one but everyone involved would be punished. It’s not the incident that was the wreck it’s what happened before it that was the cause.
Kurt is not a nice guy but who cares about that? He seems to unjustifiably feel he is superior to everyone around him but who cares about that? There’s just nothing to like about him on a personal level if you have eyes and ears. He has ability, that is undeniable. There is nothing special or likable about him unless you have the same personality flaws. Why be a fan of a guy who constantly spites you?
It doesn’t matter what Tony is saying on his radio about Kurt… It doesn’t matter how Tony races Kurt on the track. It doesn’t matter what Tony has previously said about “give and take” because we all know drivers stretch the truth and tell lies, whether they mean to or not.
What matters is Kurt almost hit Tony’s jack man. If Kurt can’t handle Tony’s intimidation then maybe he should look at another series, because the last time I checked “intimidation” is what racing is about. Not showing your ass on pit road and almost hitting an innocent bystander. Kurt wouldn’t be as bold if everyone was out of their cars at that moment. There’s nothing to respect about Kurt except that he can drive a car well if the situation is right.
Dregsta, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
“..it’s what happened before it that was the cause.” It was a factor and not the cause. Kurt’s chip on his shoulder and lack of control was the ONLY cause for what happened on pit road.
So you’re saying Kurt was thinking, “I don’t like how Tony raced me so I’m gonna show him who’s boss on pit road and throw a person’s (not in a car) well being to the wind.” Racing is about going hard on the track, beating & banging, intimidation, deceit and blocking… Whining is what we all do. Not just Tony or Kurt. Its also me and you. So look in the mirror and think about it.
Also, I’d be really interested to hear you elaborate on the “antics” you think they should be penalized for…
for the ones mentioning carl.. he did get fined when he wrecked stewart on pit road.. i remember that because carl asked what the fine would be for kickin his a**, because they would get one for that too. also, he got a penalty for what he did to jr too. which was totally wrong for him to do. i like carl and it was totally out of character for him to do. so he deserved to be penalized.
i have never been a kurt fan, but he was starting to grow on me a bit.. until the incident. i was there and no matter who’s fault it was, he was totally wrong and should sit out a race or two. just like carl or any other driver should if they did something idiotic like that.
i also feel that it is wrong if they dont hand down a step penaly, after what they did to jr.
Just reported at Jayski, no penalty, fine, points.. Nothing!
Dawg..I’m not seeing that there..not yet..maybe tomorrow
we will..I did hear from someone who called in on Sirus.
They supposedly had talked to a hauler driver who said no
suspension for Kurt..
We are hearing there will still be a penalty and it still could be a suspension. The Bill France passing has pushed everyting back a bit.
Axel: “Kurt is not a nice guy but who cares about that? He seems to unjustifiably feel he is superior to everyone around him but who cares about that? There’s just nothing to like about him on a personal level if you have eyes and ears.” -Why don’t you get off that high horse. That’s a pretty dumb thing to say IMO.
“There is nothing special or likable about him unless you have the same personality flaws.” -Who made you the one to ask about “character flaws”? So I may or may not have “have the same personality flaws” but what do I care of what you think are “personality flaws”?
“Why be a fan of a guy who constantly spites you?” -Umm, spites who?
I saw the same race. I saw everything that happened as well as I could from the t.v. & replays. This ain’t about justifying anything it’s about being honest & not just holding one driver accountable when there is more to it than what’s being said. You’re not a fan of Kurt, we’ve had that talk before. I like him along w/most of the field of drivers. I’m not the one being biased. This whole “burn Kurt at the stake thing” is just way off center. That was my point. You have a problem w/that then it’s a personal one & yours alone. Don’t act like you know Kurt anymore than me or anyone else on here.
As far as: “Dregsta, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.”“..it’s what happened before it that was the cause.”” It was a factor and not the cause. Kurt’s chip on his shoulder and lack of control was the ONLY cause for what happened on pit road.” -Your whole comment was preposterous & “ridiculous”. I stand by what I said & that’s the way it is. Can’t change that. I didn’t know you were gonna try to twist it around from what i meant to a blame game. How could I? I brought it up b/c so many people are focusing on one thing that they are obscuring the reasons for which things got out of control. If you know your Nascar history then you won’t try to argue that. No different from what’s happened in the past.
“So you’re saying Kurt was thinking, “I don’t like how Tony raced me so I’m gonna show him who’s boss on pit road and throw a person’s (not in a car) well being to the wind.”” -I’m not saying anything like that. Stop associating me as Kurt’s defense attorney. …but if you feel like throwing that ball around I know for a fact Tony does. If not then (I’m really tired of having to repeat myself but if I must I must) why did he stay in Busch’s car well after the caution was thrown? How many times has he pushed other people just b/c he felt like they pushed him & then later finds out that it was more than what he thought & then admits that he was wrong for his actions. I wouldn’t want that to change about him or any other driver. I just get frustrated when people say dumb things (i.e. you) & converse about the one incident over the whole picture.
“So look in the mirror and think about it.” -What’s that all about? You think you Know me from a few comments I made? You might want to sit down before YOU hurt YOURself, Axel.
Oh, BTW, if you still have know idea about “what antics” I’m referring to then read my comments above. I’m really getting tired of having to repeat myself to “self proclaimed” know-it-alls & people who think they know what they are talking about.
I was approximately 15 feet away from a pit incident at an IRL race a few years ago. The gasman was flipped backwards over the wall, and broke nearly every bone from the waist down. It’s a sight that I will never get out of my head. A precedent must be set, especially as NASCAR is pushing safety in all aspects of the sport. This goes beyond the track.
OMG can all the haters please stop with the - press charges, send him to jail BS. The assault with a deadly weapon thing is by far the most rediculous thing I have ever heard regarding an incident at a race track.
I was once at a professional Hockey game and a player from the opposing team hit a slap shot that hooked and ended up over the glass, smashing me in the face and breaking my nose. Did I have the guy arrested? Duh what do you think. I suspect many of you would love for something like that to happen to you so that you could sue or whatever. Why do people always make mountains out of mole hills? The incident on Pit Road was a serious transgression but come on Assault with a Deadly Weapon. The punishment should fit the crime - and the intent.
Wouldn’t it be great to see NASCAR hand out a fair and just penalty based on the incident rather than the public opinion of a driver? There has been a precedent for this type of behavior before, it will be interesting to see if the penalty is a justified increase from previous incidents or a huge swing for a home run to punk the driver you all love to hate.
Everyone lets not forget - this ia an entertainment business. Kurt has probably increased the hits at NASCAR.com by 10 fold this week alone. As much as I hate to say it NASCAR needs this type of thing to happen a few times per year in order to keep the DRAMA high. The media definately realizes it - look how many posts and articles have been written - and the media will continue to put gas on the fire as long as it can to get the additional coverage - which helps them sell advertising - which lets them sponsor a race - for a purse - which Kurt will get paid out of next week.
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ACAMPBELL-See the difference is, that was accidental. It’s not like
the hockey player went “Ah! Fool! I shall hit them with a puck!”
What no one seems to understand is, it doesn’t MATTER if Kurt saw
him or not. You can never be 100% sure that you’re brakes aren’t
going to fail, or that your car won’t slide, or that he wouldn’t of
been moved forward into the car somehow. I understand that Tony may
or may not have done something out on the track, but that ALSO doesn’t
matter. You just don’t do anything to even slightly endanger another
person’s life.
And it IS assault with a deadly weapon or assault with a vehicle.
Haven’t you ever seen police chase videos where the suspect drives
the car at the cop? They get arrested for assault with a vehicle.
I would imagine some of them hope they miss the cop and that he just
moves so they can make a clean escape as well, but you still wouldn’t
call the convict sane and rational for pulling a stunt like that, and
if you would, YOU’RE not very sane or rational. No matter what other
circumstances, what he did was just plain wrong, and it WAS attempted
assault with a vehicle.
I am pretty sure you would feel a little different about the situation if it was your loved one almost being hit by Kurt in the pits ACAMPBELL……………..He needs to be penalized for his actions in the PITS……….no argument…..PENALIZED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dregsta, stand by what you say and I will stand by my statement. Kurt Busch is not a nice guy, but I’m cool with that. Tony isn’t particularly nice either. I respect Kurt’s driving but nothing else.
Saying that both drivers caused the pit road incident is the same rationale that says a girl wearing sexy clothes is asking to be raped.
On a side note, anyone saying this is assault or attempted assault is unenlightened. Racing ain’t real life and it never should be. People are going to get hurt by foolish mistakes and heated tempers on the race track. Its happened since racing began. If you wanna start saying things like this that happen on the track are legal matters then you’re opening a can of worms you’ll never be able to close. I know what the law says, but does anyone really agree that a minor side swipe on a cop during a police chase is really assault or attempted murder? Its just a way to tag on a few more charges in a situation no one will question.
Racing is dangerous and what fun would it be if it wasn’t? Drivers and crew members know the risks. People are going to die and get hurt no matter what. I really think Kurt is competent enough to pull a jack ass move (like he did) and avoid killing or hurting a crew member. After all, he did it. I don’t think that was blind luck. Of course a lot of things could have happened differently when he did it but nothing did. Fine him and move on.
Breanna - See the truth is the Hockey player could not have been 100% sure that the puck wouldn’t enter the stands so he should not have made the shot…duh…The jackass on COPS that is trying to run over a policeman, well he has intent. He is intentionally putting somebody at risk using a car as a weapon. I doubt very seriously you could tell me Kurt was just hoping there would be a jackman on the right front of Tony’s car so he drove down pit road to see if he could hit him…
It would be really funny though if Kurt gets to race this weekend, wins, and then all the dumb asses whining about safety start throwing stuff at him on the race track…
Should we “ticket” them for going over the “speed limit” also, the laws of the road don’t really apply to a NASCAR race track. I think it is a shame and he should be punished, but lets get real, assault with a deadly weapon?? You guys are totally reaching now. I understand he is not a well liked driver by most (me included!!) but get real!! I hope to see him fined and sit down for at least one race if not more….and of course points need to be taken away. Maybe anger management courses also need to be manditory for him…he seems to need them!
I never said he had malicious intent, I was just giving another
example of someone driving a vehicle at someone else under any
circumstance to show that it often IS considered assault with a
deadly weapon or some relatable charge. I also understand that the
crewmen know the risks as well as the drivers, but it shouldn’t come
down to subconsciously worrying about a situation like this every time
you step out on pit road. As I’ve stated several times, I realize Kurt
didn’t intend on running over the guy. I’m saying it’s ridiculous to
even take the risk because what if something HAD gone wrong, however
unlikely it would of been.
I also never said he should be charged with it;; my argument was just
that it does match the specifications often seen for the charge in
other circumstances. Personally, as long as Nascar does something
about this period instead of just letting it slip through the cracks,
thereby setting a dangerous precedent, I’m good.
Breanna, I understand what you’re saying and I couldn’t respect what you’re saying more.
There are things people are capable of under certain circumstances that stretch the bounds of reason & endanger other people but I think that level of anger brings a certain clarity to actions… Kurt acomplished his goal and no one got hurt. At that moment I bet Kurt wished Tony dead. It is ridiculous that ego could push any rational person to do irrational things like that but it happens every day. Some people get away with those things with out a scratch (on anyone) everytime. That is what I love about racing.
The more I think about this situation the more I like Kurt. He wasn’t thinking sponsor or fans… He was thinking about racing.
Jeez Axel, when are you gonna get what I’m saying right? I never said that they were both “responsible” on pit road. I said that the 20 was wrong for pushing a guy well after the caution was thrown. That is just as wrong as what everyone is waving a flag on here that the 2 was wrong for going alongside another car on pit road (which is nothing new BTW). Pushing a wrecked car on the racetrack during yellow is way more unsafe than what wasn’t even that close of a “pit road incident”. That guy jumped on the hood out of the same reflexes that me, you, & anyone else would’ve done. Just b/c he jumped doesn’t make it “close”. It just makes it overly scrutinized. All in all, two people were wrong & the one. It just happens that most people turn a blind eye to the one who did the most unsafe thing. Get your facts right.
For some reason it didn’t put my information above. The things mentioned from the “Anonymous” above was from me. BTW, I remember a certain Earnhardt that wrecked many a driver intentionally & at full speed. Does a Dale & Darell incident come to mind? That wreck could’ve wiped out many an innocent driver but like the pit road “incident” didn’t. To compare a guy on pit road had close to no protection at all to a driver that is strapped in a very fast car & that is unable to jump behind a wall for protection is absurd. Danger knows no difference. Next time you try to spin what I say or quote me wrong I’m not gonna even bother w/answering you Axel. Come correct or don’t come at all.
I’ll go out on a limb and say that I think when
lol
Nascar comes out with their decision tomorrow that they
will have taken under consideration what happened before
Kurt entered Tony’s pit( see above post by anonymous )
and the finishing positions of both cars..
I believe they will throw out the Dover race for Kurt
and allow him to race at Pocono..There will be fines and a loss
of points..Tony will be reminded that he is under probation
for not showing up at the media center and can again drive
agressively.. Juan Pablo Montoya will fixate on Stewart and
keep him busy rest of the season..That’ll work for me
sunmom….this is the second time ive agreed with you….i also believe RJ…..way back up there that it was stewarts fault and he never would have actually hit the guy……this is all just a overrated topic that has more stewart fans than bucsh fans all because stewart is more popular which is why it sounds like such a big deal
Dregsta, you said what happened on the track was the cause for the stupidity on pit road. I didn’t spin anything. You acted like Kurt’s decision to side swipe Tony was a “reflex” reaction. I say it was premeditated. He had time to think about it. Don’t even bring up Earnhardt in this situation. He may have done some malicious things at times but it didn’t directly threaten someone not in a car and so close to the action, especially not crew members. This is about what happened on pit road and that is what you were refering to when I made the comments I did.
I see why you like Kurt now, you fly off the handle just like him. If you wanna bash me for what I say you might wanna read it or just ignore it if you’re going to have coronary about it. I read yours. I responded exactly to what you said. What happened on the track under caution is no excuse for what happened on pit road.
Come correct? You’ve got 5 years of life experience on me so learn to articulate your thoughts “correct” or just don’t change what you’re saying when you realize its wrong. I stand by what I say.
Also, I’m not saying that Tony shouldn’t be penalized for what he did after the
wreck but before the pit road incident. What Kurt did was the greater evil if you wanna break it down. I really think that all of this craze over penalties as of late is ridiculous. Let the drivers sort it out as much as possible and NASCAR should give anyone who asks a copy of the damn rule book.
So the penalty, if any, is supposed to be handed down today. Know
the irony? However much money Penske dished out to make sure there
won’t be one is probably more than he would of lost if Kurt had just
set out a race or two. We shall see.
No suspension. NASCAR just lost its credibility. Absolutely ridiculous.
his is on Jayski..
Kurt Busch penalized, not suspended: NASCAR announced today that Kurt Busch, driver of the #2 Miller Lite Dodge in the Nextel Cup Series, has been penalized 100 championship driver points, fined $100,000 and placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31, 2007 for violating Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing – reckless driving; endangering a crew member on pit road) of the 2007 NASCAR rule book. Car owner Roger Penske has also been penalized with the loss of 100 championship owner points due to his driver’s infraction. The violation occurred on pit road during the race at Dover International Speedway on June 4.(NASCAR PR), not happy with the outcome? don’t tell me, email or contact NASCAR, see my Racing FAQ page for ways to contact.(6-8-2007)
You all got to remember that 100 points is like sitting out a race and couple
that with the bad Dover finish that would put him 2 races behind..
I guess NASCAR thinks that aiming your car at a pit crew worker is no more dangarous than having ileagle wing brackes, but wait tony jr. got a six week suspinion, or a ileagel motor, but Michels crew chief is still out . The only thing he got that will really hurt him is that he is on probation now which means he will have to use his head while in the cat which has never been one of his strong points. If you saw thev poll on NASCAR.com only 15% thought that he should not get suspended that means 85% thought he should get suspended for at least one race and 26% thought he should be out for the rest of the season. Nascar is going to loose a lot of credability with it’s fans and in the racing world in general. IMO this sends a message to all the drivers that they can do what ever they want and just have to pay some money and loose a few points and in a season were you can skip a few races and still have a great shot at making the chase 100 pionts dont mean much. It is now up to Joe gibbs, tony stewart and the crew man to file leagle charges against Kurt for assalt with a deadly weapon but Roger will probibly just buy his way out of that too. All I can say to Kurt is you better watch out couse what goes around comes around and tony will get him before the season is over and hi’ll do it in such a way it will look like it was just a racing thing. I know if I was a driver the last person I would want to piss off is tony stewart couse what Ric Flair is to Wresteling , Tony is to racing, “The Dirtiest Player in The Game”. By the way I’m not a Tony fan or a Kurt Hater but wrong is wrong and what Kurt and now NASCAR did is wrong, if Willer was a stand up company they would do something about this but I guess they aprove of people aiming there cars at humans. I am a JR. Fan and if he would of done that I would be ashamed of him not making excuses for his unresponsable actions.
gkirb..
Robin Pemberton explained Nascar’s decision on Sirius radio
and he said that Nascar PARKED the 2 car ..there was
very little damage on that car and it was a GOOD car..
so if they hadn’t parked Kurt he would have had a better finish
than 42nd so add that with losing 100 points that equals 2
races that Kurt is behind the other drivers..
So nascar is saying that the people on pit road’s lifes are only worth $100,000 and 100 Points WOW there creditability just went down even more!
HAhahaha, A lil sensitive aren’t you? Axel, I never bashed you. I get frustrated b/c you would question something I’d say but you couldn’t get what I said correct.And again you come incorrect. I never said “what happened on the track was the cause for the stupidity on pit road.” What I said was that Tony should be penalized also. I never, ever justified Kurt’s actions. Not once but you seem to miss that point in persistence to argue w/me. So since you argue w/me but don’t come correct then you are in effect contradicting yourself, simply put. I’ve read your posts before & noticed that you do the same thing when you address other people too. Let’s further examine your fallacies shall we?
Axel said:”Don’t even bring up Earnhardt in this situation. He may have done some malicious things at times but it didn’t directly threaten someone not in a car and so close to the action, especially not crew members” -I say: Although your point is somewhat correct that isn’t the point that you argued w/me. I said he (Earnhardt) did indeed intentionally wreck other drivers & even gave an unarguable point by bringing up the Dale & Darrell incident. Who’s to say that it couldn’t have ended up differently? How did he die again? In a car? What was Tony doing to Kurt after the yellow was waved? Exactly. Besides, it wasn’t even that close of an incident in the pits. Be real. Just b/c he jumped on the hood didn’t make it close. The 20 is popular. That’s where most of the outcry is coming from. I’M STILL NOT SAYING WHAT KURT DID ON PIT ROAD WAS RIGHT. Understand?
Axel said: “This is about what happened on pit road and that is what you were refering to when I made the comments I did.” -I say: you were actually arguing the comments I made. That’s why we are having personal conversations in a public forum. To preserve the integrity of what I said after you twist things around.
Axel said:”I see why you like Kurt now, you fly off the handle just like him.” -I say: Thanks for the compliment but as far as me personally flying off the handle you are wrong again. I’m cool as a cucumber. I don’t get mad having to deal w/you. A lil frustrated that I have to repeat myself so many times yes but not mad or as you put it “flying off the handle”. You don’t know me at all & I never made the assertion that I knew you. I am here for intelligent debate not witch burning. So if you have a problem with something I said by all means feel free to ask what I meant or ask me to clarify. Don’t make the assumption you already know. Don’t come at me w/a “the-authority-on-the-subject” or “know-more-than-you” attitude. You have come incorrect to me every time. If you don’t think of yourself this way (& I’m sure you don’t) then I suggest you read your own posts.
Axel said: “Come correct? You’ve got 5 years of life experience on me so learn to articulate your thoughts “correct” or just don’t change what you’re saying when you realize its wrong. I stand by what I say.” -I say: Bahahahahaha, lol! BTW, thank you for clarifying the age difference. Sounds like you are the one having a, how did you say it, “coronary”, hehehe. I’ve not changed one thing I’ve said. Not once. I guess it might appear that way to someone who cannot accurately comment on something that they think they commenting on. I can see how it might be elusive to you. Is that articulate enough?
Axel said: “Also, I’m not saying that Tony shouldn’t be penalized for what he did after the
wreck…” -I say: Dude, that’s all I was saying in the first place. Other people understood that, why didn’t you? All this flim-flam back & forth stuff wasn’t necessary. If you feel like “What Kurt did was the greater evil…” then that’s fine. I have no qualms. Also, I fully support this statement you made: “I really think that all of this craze over penalties as of late is ridiculous. Let the drivers sort it out as much as possible and NASCAR should give anyone who asks a copy of the damn rule book.” - I say: Amen brother.
Just so you know, the above “Anonymous” was me. Don’t know why this thing wont put up my name. Maybe it’s penalizing me, lol.
gkirb, Nascar’s creditability was already in question w/their desire to throw yellows just on their whim, which controlled the outcome of a race IMO. Tony said it after I had noticed it. Anyways about that poll on Nascar.com, you could put up a similar poll asking about if you think J. Gordon intentionally wrecked whoever & have similar outcomes. Come on, you are gonna ask someone that might not be a fan of said driver but likes that driver that kind of question? I like most of the field of drivers but would still like to see one of them win over some others. That poll is pulling favoritism more than actual justice. Besides sunmom is correct. Just wait & see like the rest of us on just how detrimental his loss in points will be before you get upset. It might really hurt him & it might not. Have some patience. I’m sure if it doesn’t work then they’ll do something stiffer in the future. After all, you don’t want to go to far. Docking the 2 100 owner’s points is huge. Just ask the driver’s outside the top 35. I know they’re happy.
I was a rear tire changer on a ARCA crew for a few races several years ago, it is dangerous enough working around all the cars when there trying not to hit each other but when a driver is not using his head and trys to pay another driver back for something that happened on the track by hitting his car on pit road while crew members are over the wall that is way past the limits, even Kurts crew should be ashamed of him and ALL the rest of the crew memebers from all the other teams should get togather and raise hell with NASCAR for not doing everything in there power to protect them while there doing there job. Bill France Jr. would have had kurts B–ls for that and he is probubly turning over in his grave as we type. I don’t care who the driver was they should have gotten a several race suspension and when the next driver does something like that and NASCAR does something about it every one will say they didn’t do anything to Kurt and NASCAR will say we decided to get strictor about pit road violations, well the time to start was now not then who knows they may wait till some one on pit road gets hurt and NASCAR racing gets a blackeye from the press over it.
Unfortunately that is Nascar’s history. To act after rather than beforesomething happens. Although, I watched the “incident” & still don’t feel like that it was as close as most people act it out to be.
bahhh……i think this is a reasonable penalty….like someone said up there…its like sitting out a race….what gets me mad is that jr. had this exact same penalty for a wrong wing bracket….talk about inconsistancy there
how much closer do you want it to get…. if he hadnt jumped on tonys car he would have gotten hit. put yourself in his place and then say you dont feel like it was that close.
Dreggsta:
It is not about wreather it was close or not it is about what could have happened. Kurt had just hit the wall very hard and it could havev very easly damaged his brakes, If you watch the replay which I have several times sence I recorded the race, Kurt hit his brakes pretty hard before he hit tonys car what if they would have failed and he hit tony much harder it could of hurt several people including a NASCAR inspector. Kurt should count his lucky stars that he did not kill anyone . There have been several crewmen have there carriers cut short becouse of injuries to there legs just from getting brushed by a car entering or leaving a pit next to theres. What if the crewman would have slipped and fell next to tonys car, things could have been a lot worse and NASCAR should have used Kurt to let all the other drivers know that they womt put up with that crap, that is why they came down so hard on the 8 team for using the wrong Wing brackets and from what I have seen they wouldn’t have even given JR. any kind of advantage in the race but they were letting all the crews know not to push the rules with the COT and that is what needed to be done with Kurt to let all the drivers know that there not playing around with thw crewmens safty on pit road.
I see what your saying love racin but I have been in a similar situation. I wouldn’t want it any closer either nor am I trying to justify anything. I watched it happen & I didn’t think it to be as close as some people are making it out to be is all.
I do agree with you Dreggsta it was not real close ,the crewman got out of the way before Kurt hit tony’s car and after all the talk NASCAR does about driver saftey and all the money that has been spent by the tracks, teams and NASCAR to improve it you would think they would everything possable to do the same for the crewmen.
Dregsta, I will admit I possibly misunderstood what you were saying but you didn’t articulate a thought correctly earlier:”It’s not the incident that was the wreck it’s what happened before it that was the cause.” What would you think if someone said that? I’m still not totally sure what you mean (or if I really did misunderstand) but I’m sure you’ll be happy to call me a dumb ass for asking… Put your stuff out there correct the first time and you wont have to repeat yourself.
I have watched Kurt for years since the Elite division. He has had the same douche bag attitude since the beginning. I have no problem with that so don’t get sad when I call that a personality flaw. I’ve also seen him in person from a relatively close distance at PIR. Seemed like a douche bag to me signing autographs for his “fans” but maybe he was just thinking about racing. Still, he shouldn’t half ass his effort to do things for his fans if he doesn’t care. I’d rather see the dude race than look at him anyway.
Also, your “Axel said:”, “Axel said:” is very flattering but obviously “Dregsta didn’t read”… You must have missed two entire posts because you were so ready to “fly off the handle” like you have on everyone during this post which definitely makes you sound like Busch’s defense attorney.
Axel said: “…Drivers and crew members know the risks. People are going to die and get hurt no matter what. I really think Kurt is competent enough to pull a jack ass move (like he did) and avoid killing or hurting a crew member. After all, he did it. I don’t think that was blind luck. Of course a lot of things could have happened differently when he did it but nothing did. Fine him and move on. “
Axel said: “…Kurt acomplished his goal and no one got hurt. At that moment I bet Kurt wished Tony dead. “…Some people get away with those things with out a scratch (on anyone) everytime. That is what I love about racing.”
Axel said: “The more I think about this situation the more I like Kurt. He wasn’t thinking sponsor or fans… He was thinking about racing.”
So, get off your high horse and stop your suck fest with Kurt’s cucumber.
Bye Guys!!!
GO KURT!!!!
Now you’re flattering me. I’m not here to call anyone names (I’m not gonna call you anything). I’m here to talk racing. I have put my info out tactfully & correctly. Just b/c you or anyone else has a problem w/it doesn’t make it incorrect. When I mentioned the “It’s not the incident that was the wreck it’s what happened before it that was the cause” thing I had assumed that since I had already written a novella of a comment that anyone who knows Nascar would know what I meant w/out further explanation. My bad for not stating the obvious. Sure it might be a lil clichéd but still true.
Axel said: “…Drivers and crew members know the risks. People are going to die and get hurt no matter what. I really think Kurt is competent enough to pull a jack ass move (like he did) and avoid killing or hurting a crew member. After all, he did it. I don’t think that was blind luck. Of course a lot of things could have happened differently when he did it but nothing did. Fine him and move on. ” -I say: No argument there just some frustration of you putting a spin on what I said. You were quick to “fly off the handle” to what I said. BTW, I read everything you wrote so, what do you mean I missed something? If I wasn’t sure of what you meant I would ask like I have done when we talked before. You never asked me once to clarify anything & I had to make corrections to your comments that were about my comments no less.
“So, get off your high horse and stop your suck fest with Kurt’s cucumber.” There is no class to that nor is it warranting a comeback. That was just lame.. (…was it my reference about me being as cool as… that made you think of a cucumber?) Kinda sounds like you can’t handle the competition. What competition? My point exactly.
hahaha. dude. You are trying to fan flames that don’t exist. You were the one that began these personal attacks. Anyone can scroll up and see the previous comments. I have spun nothing but your ego. You omit statements from your chosen quotes and omit logic from your arguements. You’re John Kerry to me. You don’t even argue the topic, you just pick at every single person’s comment. That is spin to me.
I stated my opinions and you didn’t take that well. We all have our opinions. Your posts on this thread are laughable. You’re wasting everyone’s time. You seem to be intimidated by something. Stop compensating for whatever you’re lacking.
That’s funny, you just explained how I felt when I read the above. I mean, you described it to a “T” when you said you like to choose to omit statements from chosen quotes. You forgot how you don’t like to come correct w/your facts though. You might wanna polish that up a bit. Pure laughable. I must admit, that J. Kerry was a nice touch. Thanks for making this one easy for me.
Dreggsta you personally bashed me on your post above Jun 6th, 2007 at 6:34 pm.
Now you come back against these other people in here and claim you are an angle sent from heaven and have treated everyone with respect. Kurt made himself look bad at Dover so now you got to do the same in here for yourself and his few fans?
Bottom line is this Dreggsta: The overwelming majority of fans don’t have respect for your driver and I don’t see that getting any better no matter how many post you submit
What exactly is your point with ALL of those post anyways? LMAO