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	<title>Comments on: Haas team appealing NASCAR penalties for rear wing infractions</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either way, even if they know they'll lose it makes sense to appeal. If I'm not mistaken, they at least get to keep their crew chiefs while they appeal, and maybe don't lose their points and money. It would be a huge deal if they could keep their 150 points and get guaranteed spots in the next race or two while the appeal is heard, and prepare for the inevitable. Not to mention the appeal board might reduce it to the standard 100pts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either way, even if they know they&#8217;ll lose it makes sense to appeal. If I&#8217;m not mistaken, they at least get to keep their crew chiefs while they appeal, and maybe don&#8217;t lose their points and money. It would be a huge deal if they could keep their 150 points and get guaranteed spots in the next race or two while the appeal is heard, and prepare for the inevitable. Not to mention the appeal board might reduce it to the standard 100pts!</p>
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		<title>By: Fisha695</title>
		<link>http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41312</link>
		<dc:creator>Fisha695</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="41307"]I'd still like to know why their fine was 150 points and everyone else has gotten 100 up until now?[/quote]

Because they did what they did knowing that they would get at least a 100 point penalty if they got caught, and obviously that threat of a 100 point penalty was not enough of a threat to stop teams from messing with this car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header"><a href="http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41307" title="View original comment"><cite>Jeff</cite> wrote:</a></p>
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I&#8217;d still like to know why their fine was 150 points and everyone else has gotten 100 up until now?</p>
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<p>Because they did what they did knowing that they would get at least a 100 point penalty if they got caught, and obviously that threat of a 100 point penalty was not enough of a threat to stop teams from messing with this car.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd still like to know why their fine was 150 points and everyone else has gotten 100 up until now? Racedriven, like we said before, they'll get it back if NASCAR doesn't find anything else wrong w/ it! Just because they confiscated it doesn't mean they're keeping it. Two different things.

Oh and to those that said why bother appealing, just look at Wreckin' Robbie Gordon.... He appealed his suspension and it paid off bigtime for him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d still like to know why their fine was 150 points and everyone else has gotten 100 up until now? Racedriven, like we said before, they&#8217;ll get it back if NASCAR doesn&#8217;t find anything else wrong w/ it! Just because they confiscated it doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re keeping it. Two different things.</p>
<p>Oh and to those that said why bother appealing, just look at Wreckin&#8217; Robbie Gordon&#8230;. He appealed his suspension and it paid off bigtime for him!</p>
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		<title>By: Fisha695</title>
		<link>http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41298</link>
		<dc:creator>Fisha695</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racedriven. like Explained before when you sign your car into the track for the race weekend it become property of NASCAR until NASCAR releases it. That is the same from your local NASCAR Whelen All-American Series 4 cylinder Bomber class, to the Whelen Modifieds, to the Truck, Nationwide, &#38; Cup series. And it has been like that for a very very long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racedriven. like Explained before when you sign your car into the track for the race weekend it become property of NASCAR until NASCAR releases it. That is the same from your local NASCAR Whelen All-American Series 4 cylinder Bomber class, to the Whelen Modifieds, to the Truck, Nationwide, &amp; Cup series. And it has been like that for a very very long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Racedriven</title>
		<link>http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41295</link>
		<dc:creator>Racedriven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one question, does Haas CNC Racing get there two confiscated cars back from NASCAR ever? If not, that would be the only part I would appeal, as for the rest of tyhe penalty, the 150 driver/owner points, six race suspended for both car chief and chew chief, $100k and this is for each car, like Joe said, they didn't waive Jr.s or Jimmie Johnson’s or Jeff Gordon’s penalty, why would they think this would be any different.

Bottom line, this penalty was right on by NASCAR from what they have done in the past and that's it. One thing, the appeals coukd increase the penalty as well, what a risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one question, does Haas CNC Racing get there two confiscated cars back from NASCAR ever? If not, that would be the only part I would appeal, as for the rest of tyhe penalty, the 150 driver/owner points, six race suspended for both car chief and chew chief, $100k and this is for each car, like Joe said, they didn&#8217;t waive Jr.s or Jimmie Johnson’s or Jeff Gordon’s penalty, why would they think this would be any different.</p>
<p>Bottom line, this penalty was right on by NASCAR from what they have done in the past and that&#8217;s it. One thing, the appeals coukd increase the penalty as well, what a risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41291</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true, but if they didn't waive Jr.s or Jimmie Johnson's or Jeff Gordon's penalty then this is not going to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true, but if they didn&#8217;t waive Jr.s or Jimmie Johnson&#8217;s or Jeff Gordon&#8217;s penalty then this is not going to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Fisha695</title>
		<link>http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41285</link>
		<dc:creator>Fisha695</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="41282"]Why have an appeal process?
The fines will be upheld along with the suspensions and points deductions[/quote]

Thats not always the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header"><a href="http://autoracingsport.com/nascar/haas-team-appealing-nascar-penalties-for-rear-wing-infractions/#comment-41282" title="View original comment"><cite>Andrew</cite> wrote:</a></p>
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Why have an appeal process?<br />
The fines will be upheld along with the suspensions and points deductions</p>
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<p>Thats not always the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why have an appeal process?
The fines will be upheld along with the suspensions and points deductions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why have an appeal process?<br />
The fines will be upheld along with the suspensions and points deductions</p>
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