Edwards and 99 team face penalty for rules infraction
Quote selected text Published March 3rd, 2008 in NASCAR News
Carl Edwards and the Las Vegas-winning No. 99 Roush Fenway Racing team face possible penalties after NASCAR discovered the lid from the oil tank was off after the race.
That is a violation of NASCAR rules similar to infractions found after Nationwide Series qualifying at Daytona last month. Five teams were caught with oil tank covers that were loose after qualifying at Daytona and all were fined, docked points and had their crew chiefs suspended.
NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said he wasn’t sure where the oil tank cover was found, only that it was off the tank. The victory still stands, he said.
“We’ll take the 99 back to the [Research and Development] Center [in Concord, N.C.], take a look at it there, and if there are any actions that will be taken, we’ll make that announcement as we normally do next week,” Poston said.
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now the normal me says so what? But since JR was running second this pisses me off lol
hey people at daytona got docked…i say Carl gets docked…damn cheating i knew JR had the best equip…ole cousin carl has to cheat…shoulda checked his car last week to…
…what? an oil tank lid???? how will a oil tank lid being off or loose make the car better???
yeah how would it make it better…and wouldn’t oil be spilled if the lid was missing?
I think if their gunna punish
the 99 for a missing oil cap which come on exactly, what is an oil cap missin gunna
do give him 15 more horse. what about the tire that got pushed back on the track camera man
or not if a car woulda hit that 99 woulda been in the back faster then the
drop of the flag nascar needs to stop nit pickin he won its over next race
thats BS
Carl got the giant lead he did because he is an awesome driver and he had a good car.
now they probably sabotaged his car to find some BS excuse to make it seem like he was cheating
f.!ck nascar.
Well in all fairness Danny, had it been his crews fault for the tire, he WOULD have been sent to the back. As in ALL the time that happens they are dropped back. He was ONLY fortunate that the camera guy was in the way.
But, it is true, IF he had that and the other cars that had been penalized in the same occurances in previous races, under the rules, he should face the same. THAT is where NASCAR gets itself in trouble with the fans, hteir never consistant. So, here we wait till Tuesday.
an oil tank lid? or an oil cap? race cars don’t have oil tanks, they have oil pans? the only thing i could imagine a loose oil cap would do would decrease a degree or 2 in temperature, orrr maybe spit oil out, buuut thats not an advantage…. then again there must be somethin to it if all these guys are doin it on purpose.
Ok this is the first kind of infraction with the COT like this (at least I think it is), so is this still the standard COT 100/100 $100,000 6 weeks, penalty, or are they going to set a new precedent and maybe have it at 50/50 $50,000 3 weeks, Penalty?
As far as what advantages, in the past they have said it lets air escape from under the car.
Nicholas wrote:
They run a Dry Sump system so they have oil tanks, it sits behind the driver seat. Here is a picture of one.
http://www.nationalhotrod.com/assets/images/autogen/a_004_Oil_Tank.jpg
Nicholas wrote:
Yes they do have oil tanks and they are located in the cockpit behind the driver. Please know what you are talking about before posting. As far as as the infraction Nascar needs to stay consistant even if we like Carl.
these cars do not have normal oil pans as they are dry sump systems, there is a reservior oil tank behind the driver, this allows for circulating a larger amount of oil thus making keeping oil temperature down easier. removing the cap allows air to travel from the cabin through the oiling system to the breather located under the hood. the breather exists to let off pressure that builds in the system. since the low pressure under the hood at speed creates resistance, any way of venting air to this area at speed can reduce that resistance and thus increases potential speed. this would also lower front downforce, but the cot is not nearly as downforce dependent as the old car, as the cot is set up for more mechanical grip.
i am not trying to accuse ed of anything, just answering to those who wanted to know wy nascar thought this could be advantageous.
nicholas…if im not mistaken, don’t they run dry sumps? and if they do run dry sumps then they have an oil tank…
i’m guessing it’s manditory for them to have a lid, so in rules it has to be there. It’s an equiptment violation, not a cheating factor to get ahead. I’m sure the reasoning is to prevent oil splash on a hot header resulting in a fire…
again, feel free to correct me if im wrong here…
ty rodger better explaination than mine lol and i was thinking that too about the air venting but even I was confusing myself on how to explain it lmao
Thanks for that explanation Rodger… Some of us females don’t quite know everything about a car. LOL I may know a lot and can work on them, but I still call things, “thingys” to and don’t ever expect me to attempt to be defininative, I can’t even do that in my own work trying to explain things to patients sometimes. lol
And Fisha… For God’s sake get over the 100/100/100 -6!!!!!! Not every penalty is based on ONE particular format. Jesus, you’d think for a guy who thinks he knows it all would know that Nascar never follows their fine printed rules. And not every infraction warrants a large penalty, nor does a large one inherit a small penalty. Like I told you early… just be quite for awhile… especially when you don’t know what the hell you are talking about, but insist on thinking you do.
Once again you fail to read and comprehend in your never ending quest to Bash me.
If you would have slowed down and actually read what I wrote instead of thinking of ways to bash me you would have seen that I asked a question, and not a question to bash a driver/person, but a question to try and arise discussion of what the other people on here think the penalty should be.
So I advise that next time you see my name , you slow down and breath and actually understand what I posted before you start to bash me.
Fisha, Fisha, Fisha, I am not bashing you. You bring yourself to your ill fated quest to appear as a know it all. Simply because myself and MOST others here point out the obvious is just an enlightment to you, that no one likes you nor thinks that what you have to offer to the discussions are valid, accurate, or informative. So, I merely point out that maybe you should just sit them out, big deal.
I have never nor will I ever claim to know it all.
As a matter of fact I do the same thing here that you and everybody else here does, and that is voice our opinions, but some of us do it in a more rule following way then others.
from wat i kno… yea leaving the tank cover loose would provide a little less drag down the straightaway but if it sucks the back of the car down as it was explained it would at daytona, wouldnt that be a disadvantage in the corner at vegas… all i kno is that when i think of a setup i want the back end up in the corner for max downforce. an from wat i hear, carl drove away from everybody because jr spun his tires. then after the red flag he said his car sucked on cold tires anyway. haha gordon spun out an wrecked. but does my interpretation of the oil tank cover make any sense to anyone else??
Want some cheese with that whine? LMAO
Hmm according to NASCAR.com it was not the tank lid that was lose, but the lid to the box that the tank sits in was completely off.
Hey, jr88fan, speak for yourself. Fisha brings a helluva lot more to the conversation than you ever will. And learn how to spell before you get on here and display your ignorance to everybody.
Hey jr88fan fisha was recommending the same plenty your golden boy jr got in the nationwide series. If Carl does not get the same plenty the whole JR nation will cry foul. Fisha bring some intelligence to all these convos and you and the rest of JR nation personal bias to anyone who does not like JR as a racer is just pathetic. If there was an infraction NASCAR needs to treat it the same way they have handled all other similar infractions. End of story, Carl shouldn’t loose the win, he will get docked some points, loose some money, and the crew chief will probly be suspended, it may not be fair but that what other teams have had to endure.
I read that this would give him a speed advantage. I think his penalty should be worse than that
Nationwide series drivers. There lid was loose, his was not on the car at all.
Okay, yall that say that Jr had the best car? Honestly who had been running up front all day long, leading laps, etc?
Kenseth and Edwards.
Matt had this problems at the end of the race with spinning out…
oh well…
But Carl had the best car by far. If he didn’t, Jr would have passed Carl on the restart and won the race, am I right?
It’s pure logic yall. If you have a better car than the guy in first–you’d pass him and pull away… he wouldn’t pull away from you.
And just because you’re a Jr fan doesn’t mean that you can’t see anything else happening around you and if so, you must not be a true fan because a true fan can ADMIT when their driver isn’t the best during a race… they may be frustrated about it but they admit it. Carl is my favorite, yes, but I told everyone after Daytona that it was not Carl’s race. and during the ‘06 season I told everyone that it was not Carl’s season.
look at all fisha’s cheerleaders .lmao
There ya go katelyn well said and now its time for JR nation to come in here and tell us how wrong we are lol
I know really Guest. LMAO It probably fisha under different names. haha
Truexfan… Oh WOW! I suffered typing errors. Woop-dee-doo. It happens. Your nobody special, just like your fisha and Truex. And, might I add Truex only has a good car now because he has Jr’s hand me downs. Still doesn’t mean he can do anything with it. lol But since Jr had “some” belief that your cat can purr, he might. Who knows. But it still doesn’t change his high and mighty attitude he has now. I think he’s starting to act like a spoiled brat.
Katelyn… I hope you aren’t saying that towards me? I never said Jr had the fastest car that race. I believe at Daytona he did, but that error on pitting ruined it for him. But you also have to admit that Jr was running up TOWARDS the front all day yesterday. Only at the beginning of the race did he drop to the back and made his way up.
Back to the topic at hand…..
i am sure they did inspect carls car last week, he doesnt have to cheat to win. so get over it.. carl is a winner no matter what…
Thanks Truex1, and JR88, no I wasn’t saying that to you, I didn’t even read all the comments. I had read one that was basically saying Jr should have won… So I voiced my opinion on that matter.
It’s the truth.
Just asking Katelyn.
All NASCAR is doing is giving themselves a reason to justify Robby Gordons penalty. NASCAR messed up so bad with this new car. So much they want to do with it, just dont know how, and everybodys gona get a penalty because they have completely dropped the ball and lost the handle on it. Its hard to build a house when you put the front door up first!
nascar99fan4life wrote:
Wrong…. If he cheated (his team) then he is not a winner just a cheat that won !!
Let me be the 1st to admit that Carl had the better car for what-ever reason, Period
As a Dale Jr. fan I will say he did not preform or his crew + car did not cope as well as others did.
He admitted that he spun the tires and did not position himself to catch and pass Carl in the last laps.
That is why I like him as a driver he will always give you a honest accounting of himself.
Case in point, when his Bush team got cought he admitted “Yea we cheated and got cought”.
When was the last time you heard a owner say that.
UNLIKE so many of the other drivers who whine about every reason they lost as if they were in a race just meant for them to win and some how they were cheated out of there win Dale Jr. will tell you like it was. No excuses No regrets.
Hey i know i cant type worth a darn and im ok with that, and as far as JR “hand me downs” go, truex was doing just fine last season without JR’s equipment. but this is not about my driver. all i said was NASCAR needs to be consistent and treat carl jsut like they did your golden boy. Fisha comes in here, makes some great point and gets slammed for it. If yall dont like the points fisha is making find another website. Like i said earlier your problem with me and fisha is we dont worship JR like yall do, we call it as we see it. Katelyn made a point and Jr88fan took it personally and had to ask if it was directed towards her. Its not personal, get over yourselfs. We come in here write what we think and feel free to do the same. I really dont expect for everyone to agree with me but i stand by what i say. And neither should you. And as far as the high and mighty thing you said about fisha, come on Fisha obviously knows a thing or two and is educated on hte subject and i have know problem listening to what fisha has to say, i may not agree with it sometimes, but i enjoy hearing it. I agree with everything Katelyn said above about this subject. I stand by what i said above to Darrel. Fisha didnt come in here all “high and mighty” and gave props to a couple drivers and still got slammed. But hey write what you want, i enjoy reading your comments. But god dont take everything so personal.
Truex1fan wrote:
THANK YOU.
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Believe me, I’ve gotten in spats with people on here over Jeff (Gordon) PLENTY of times, but it’s not necessarily because I think Jeff can do no wrong… It’s because people bash him because they’re insecure on the accomplishments that THEIR driver has made (or so I think
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but the majority of fans that tend to bash the guys that perform better in a single race are usually Jr fans. Used to be Senior fans but they’re all migrated to Jr. And I honestly don’t have a problem with jr, believe it or not–but with the way that I see it… Jr fans are the most narrow-minded when it comes to looking OUTSIDE of the box.
That sounds really mean and harsh, but believe me… I’ve had plenty of experience in arguing with fans… and I KNOW who their drivers are.
sorry to offend anyone!
Just playing devils advocate, you know those cars vibrate a lot, maybe NASCAR should mandate a cap that cannot come off, or a flapper system like in dirt fuel cells that minimizes the advantage of a cap-less oil tank.
Truexfan….
And you speak about MY spelling. LOL
I only asked her(Katelyn) because I didn’t see where that was said about Jr having the “best car”. I know I didn’t say it, it was just where it was placed in the post’s that had me thrown off. I didn’t take is personally. I don’t take any of the post personally. And we all know that once Jr announced his leaving DEI, suddenly Truex started doing so much better. You can’t really think that the switch didn’t happen then do you? I mean, really, he gets better THAT fast after Jr tells DEI c-ya and he did that on his own? haha Ya ooo-k. I actually can for once agree with you on SOME things that you posted there regarding our postings and opinions.
Fisha is the one who takes everything personal. I mean come on, he HAS to respond to every little thing that is said and try to correct other’s opinion’s. Why? Because he thinks he’s better, smarter, more informed. Well he sits on his butt all day and night doing nothing but reading all this and papers, and blogs, etc. He can’t dare let anyone elses opinion stand as what it is. No, he has to try and correct it with his own version of things. And then when he is called out on it, he stands behind the “some of us follow the rules above”.
I and everyone else here doesn’t have to constantly have OUR opinions derailed because of some ego tripping kid. Get a job already if you wanna feel like somebody. I have more things to do then to research out every detail of all of this and try to make myself appear important. We all have the right and opinions to say what we feel. But we don’t constantly have to “be corrected” by this guy who thinks he knows it all. And myself and other’s here don’t have to stop coming to this site just because he thinks he’s the last word. He’s just a nuisance. Now this is that last I am going to say about it. We all know that his majesty isn’t going to tame it down and allow others to have their say without his countersay on it all. Sigh.
chevetteracer wrote:
It was the lid on the box that the oil tank sits in, not the lid on the tank itself. I’m not sure how its held on, but more then likely its with some kind of quick release system so if they needed to get into the tank to top it off, it wouldn’t be that hard to get the box lid off.
You all need to grow up lol.
chevetteracer wrote:
“Just playing devils advocate, you know those cars vibrate a lot, maybe NASCAR should mandate a cap that cannot come off, or a flapper system like in dirt fuel cells that minimizes the advantage of a cap-less oil tank.”
that may be a idea worth looking into, if this is happening all the time, and if this is the waht 6th time this has happened it my be a defect. It might be something worth looking into.
Okay, I have a question here. Where exactly is this lid located in the car? These cars go
through pre-race inspection, correct? Is this done the day of the race? I am just wondering
how easy this lid would be accessed by the driver and/or crew during a race? Wouldn’t NASCAR
check before the races to make sure this lid is on tight and how much access to they have to
this area before the race?
AS Truex1fan said, if this keeps happening, MAYBE these guys are not cheating but it is a
defect occuring on track during the race? Just a thought..but come on, that would be way to
SIMPLE for NASCAR to look into!! The way I see it, the more penalties they can assess, the
more $$ in NASCAR’s pocket. Guess they are losing fan $$ so they have to make it up in
other ways??? And I think Robby Gordon got screwed royally by NASCAR and I really hope he
wins his appeal.
4 speed wrote:
Tisk Tisk!! It is against the rules to criticize anyone for spelling, grammar..etc
The oil tank sits in a box the lid from the box was off and it was claimed that the air going over the open box caused a mild down force that gave his car a advantage. On paper from and engineering point it is possible that is true. The POINT is that it was illegal to have it loose or missing at all, right.
Well then if it was off he gets fined and points removed.
This is not rocket science people. If it was off it didn’t jump off by it’s self. The quick release system used is more full proof than that…
Laura wrote:
Penalty money this year goes to charity, and in previous years it has gone into the points fund that gets paid to the drivers at the end of the season.
I think the 99’s crew chief has been looking at too many old James Bond movies!!! I can still see that Aston-Martin now!
Robby says eff them all!!!!! Fine ‘em. Dock ‘em. Whatever it takes. Or as I often say NASCAR will be consistent by being inconsistent. We’ll have to see how this PANS out.
THEIR ARE NO DALE JR. HAND ME DOWNS OR ANY OTHER HAND ME DOWNS. THE C.O.T. IS A WHOLE NEW CAR FROM THE TIRE TO THE ANTENNA ON THE ROOF. AND SECOND ALSMOST ALL THE EQUIPMENT IS ISSUED BY NASCAR AND A NEW RADIO FEQUENCY STICKER IS PUT ON THEM AND THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT CAR THAT TEAM IS BRINGING TO THE TRACK.
HEY FISHA , THE MONEY IS GOIN OVERSEAS ALONG WITH THE DRIVERS AND TEAM OWNERS.
IM SURPRISED THIS IS THE HOTT TOPIC AND NO ONE HAS SEEN THE REAL BIG STORY THAT CAN REALLY EFFECT THE SPORT. I THINK KENNETH SHOULD SWITCH THEM.
…I sometimes feel I’m the only one apart of Junior Nation
with brains and common sense. Nor ignorant. Nor always
thinking Junior deserves the benefit of everything.
So to everyone who bashes Jr Nation because of their
fans..just remember not everyone is like..well.. I’m sure
you all know who I’m referring to on this board.
IM GOING SKIING AFTER ATLANTA IN BETWEEN BRISTOL, ANYONE CARE TO JOIN ME?
THE JR NATION … WOW THEY ARE THE ONLY RACE FANS IN THE WORLD THAT WHEN THEIR DRIVER DOESNT WIN, THEY THROW EVERYTHING THEY CAN FIND WITHIN 6 FEET OF THEM AT ANY DRIVER THAT COMES AROUND THE TRACK IN FRONT OF THEM.
Howie…
Number 1, when I spoke of hand me downs, I was refferring to the old car and then now he(Truex) is getting the equipment Jr would have.
Number 2, There is no need to type in all caps all the time. It does nothing for the post iteself, and can be rather annoying to read. Also, caps are used in EMPHASIZING a word or statement, NOT a whole paragraph. Not trying to be rude or correct you. Just stating that it is kinda standard that we don’t always wrtie in caps for those reasons, maybe more. =)
Number 3, I think its offensive to say that “Jr nation” are the ONLY one’s who throw/threw things on a track. First, that is not a true statement. I think every person there that had something to throw did so because of the bad call Nascar and its officials made. The next time that I know of it happening was probably a follow up to the growing disatisfaction and obvious bias that is happening in the sport. So if you catergorize people, make sure you know who you are talking about. I saw many different shirts and colors of teams/drivers throwing things. Its almost like it was “when in Rome”. It was funny as hell, but totally wrong to do. I have never seen the major discord that people have had so finally blown into the open. And, really, as some stated here before, people can send their throughts, gripes, complaints ,etc all they want. Nascar never responds to the people. I guess they thought that was finally their way to get them to “hear them”. Wrong as it was, that’s what I got from it.
For ME personally, I would NEVER throw anything at a track, car, or person, etc. That is completely immature and dangerous. Your being irresponsible in your statement and making it appear that all Jr fans are unruly, trashy, ignorant people. That comment was disrespectful to many people, fans or not.
Andy.. Speak up. You want to call someone out do it, don’t be chicken.
FIRST OF ALL, I GUESS YOU WERNT THERE AND YOUR GOIN ON WHAT YOU WERE WATCHING ON TV. I WAS AS ALWAYS THERE AND THEY WERE ALL JR FANS. THE ONES ARRESTED AND EJECTED AND WERE BANNED FROM EVER ATTENDING ANOTHER RACE WERE JR FANS AND I KNOW FROM THE PEOPLE STANDING 150 FEET FROM WHERE I WAS TAKING PICTURES THEY WERE WEARING RED BECAUSE IN MY SHOTS YOU CAN SEE THEM AS PLAIN AS DAY. SO UNLESS YOU WERE THERE AND WATCHING THESE IDIOTS DONT SAY THEY WERE OTHER FANS THAT WERE ANGRY AT THE CALL NASCAR MADE.
Oh WOOOWWW, they were wearing RED that MUST make them ALL Jr fans! I know I wear red alot, does that make me a crip?
So you picked out people that were wearing red or were Jr fans. BFD! I KNOW that there were many, MANY people that were not his fans that were throwing things, Don’t be an ___.
Oh, I bet your eyes ONLY trained on those particular people so you made sure you got your photo’s of those JR FANS to boot. Did you make sure you turned them in? LMAO
My God some of you men think you just know everything and will say any and everything to TRY and prove your point. Too funny.
Well I MUST be a Crip then, since I wear red a lot. BAHAHAHA
YOU don’t know whether I was there or not. But, I WILL tell you, there were MANY, MANY people that were not Jr fans that WERE throwing stuff too. It wasn’t JUST Jr fans. Its really great how YOU judge people. Did you make sure to get photo’s of them to turn them in to?
well jr88fan, you wrote this: Well in all fairness Danny, had it been his crews fault for the tire, he WOULD have been sent to the back. As in ALL the time that happens they are dropped back. He was ONLY fortunate that the camera guy was in the way. . you were suggesting that if it wasnt for the cameraman there, the tire would have still have rolled back on pitroad but the reason the tire rolled there was because of the cameraman and not the mistake of anyone on the team.
second you wrote quote: Did you make sure to get photo’s of them to turn them in to?
and yes i would turn anyone in for anything they did wrong at a NASCAR event because it effects everyone including the safety of me and my associates and the 2YEAR OLD WHO GOT A NICE GASH ON HIS HEAD from a beer can.
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this is some funny stuff please dont stop now
to bad so many people are jealous of Jr .what is good for one driver is good for the other . martin got all of Jr’s car last season and Jr got the experimental car’s why because Jr was leaving and martin was going to be the fair haired boy.not true you say how many times have you heard of engine’s blowing up 8 times . so carl should lose pts. fine and suspended crew chief happen to Jr. JR NATION YESSSSSS!!!!!!!
In most multi-car teams ALL the cars except for a drivers personal favorite one or two swap around between drivers, especially now with the COT.
And this argument of He got his EQ blah blah blah…. The teams and fans should have enough faith in the EQ that Driver A should be able to get into Driver B’s car, and run like he was in his own car, and same for Driver B.
Your first sentence has nothing to do with what was being said about the old races that was being discussed about “Jr fans being the only one’s throwing things”.
No I wasn’t suggesting that it still would have rolled out there, try reading it again. wait, let me CLEAR it up for you…. it would have been his crews fault for not getting the tire had the cameraguy not been in the way of the guy to stop it. And, then he would have gotten sent to the back for it. But, BECAUSE the cameraguy was in the crew guys way, he couldn’t reach it. Whic hyou can clearly see the guy trying to reach out and over the stupid cameramans way. Anything for the money shot, eh? Its a good thing Nascar did the right thing and not penalize Carl for that.
And, the second, has everything to do with the conversation at hand. But once again, people twisting things to make people believe whatever they want them to. Nice try.
YOU say… “and yes i would turn anyone in for anything they did wrong at a NASCAR event because it effects everyone including the safety of me and my associates and the 2YEAR OLD WHO GOT A NICE GASH ON HIS HEAD from a beer can.”
What do you want a brownie badge.
I am not going to keep going on this never ending “conversation” with a guy with a camera, which makes him think he’s oh so special. Whoop dee doo
This is just stupid. You damn Jr hater’s will continue to keep bashing him and bringing him into