NASCAR giveth and then NASCAR taketh away.
Everything that is … except a victory.
Carl Edwards got a gift win in Las Vegas last week when rather than being penalized for a loose wheel during a crucial pit stop, NASCAR was in a benevolent mood.
Because one of Edwards’ crew members was obstructed by a cameraman in the No. 99 pit box, NASCAR ruled no penalty for the errant tire that rolled away during the stop.
Such an occurrence usually is grounds for a one lap penalty, which would have taken Edwards out of contention for what turned out to be his second straight series win.
“I thought we were going to receive another penalty,” said Edwards, who earlier in the race was sent to the rear of the field for another pit road miscue. “But NASCAR made a judgment call in our favor that I believe was the right one. I’m very grateful for them giving that to us.”
Edwards’ crew chief Bob Osborne was also relieved at the no-call.
But the situation became even more compounded following the race when Edwards did not pass post-race inspection. The oil reservoir lid was off on the No. 99 Ford.
The opening could create an aerodynamic advantage for the car by allowing it to vent air, providing downforce and reducing drag. Simply put, it’s cheating.
As is its custom, NASCAR took the car back to its R&D Center in Concord, N.C., for further determination and late Wednesday the sanctioning body hammered Edwards, Osborne and team owner Jack Roush. Edwards was hit with a 100-point penalty and $100,000 fine while Osborne received a six-race suspension.
Those sanctions are at least consistent with what NASCAR has followed since the Car of Tomorrow was put into play. Dale Earnhardt Jr., Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson and now Edwards have all suffered the same fate when infractions were found on the new car.
But despite the fact his car was found to be illegal, Edwards will keep the Las Vegas win, as has been NASCAR’s policy over the years.
Despite driving a car that didn’t meet NASCAR’s standards, Edwards will still have his name in the record book as a Sprint Cup winner and can keep the trophy that was bestowed upon him last Sunday.
That makes no sense.
If a car is not legal, how can it win a race?
In the world of NASCAR, it’s possible.
But it’s impossible to understand.
- Unlike NASCAR, cheaters get slammed in F1
- Gordon fails post-race inspection, will start 42nd in Daytona 500
- Fans stay away from Martinsville in droves
- T.J. Simers, another ignorant L.A. Times NASCAR basher, puts his foot in his mouth
- L.A. sportswriter bashes NASCAR
i seriously doubt NASCAR would have let someone off that last tire penalty…its Edwards team’s fault in the first place they even let they guy near the wall…Nascar should have spots and rules for that kind of stuff already inplace….but they made the decision that they felt was necessary and im ok with it..as long as they do the same thing for the next team that happens to….maybe they felt sorry for Edwards cause he was leading….and had already 1 pass thru for tire penalty in that race..who knows…
But cheaters do prosper in NASCAR…look at the stats
how many times has chad knaus got suspended/fined for BLATANTLY cheating?…in 2006 and 2007 both Championship years for them….go figure….from now on NASCAR should give the driver 43rd place points if they fail post race inspection for any reason….or any driver regardless and if they happen to WIN that said race…they should not get credit for it and the 2nd place driver should…everything is always UNOFFICIAL til the season is over anyways…so why not…it would stop majority of the cheating cause they would lose their WIN…which is a huge deal…
ask Dale Jr what he thinks…i bet you he is wishing that was the rule right now since he finished 2nd….but im sure there are a lot of you Carl Edwards and Jimmie Johnson fans that disagree…and i couldn’t care anyless what you think about it…the TRUTH HURTS and you know it
NASCAR did the right thing with letting the tire incident go.
i believe that Nascar made the right decision with the tire incident with Edwards but i still do not understand how he gets to keep his win when his car was illegal i believe that if your car comes up illegal you should get 0 points for that race and if you happen to win the win should be taken away but thats just me i guess.
I do agree that they should have set locations for the
camera men to be positioned. Nothing like that should
ever occur.
If you think all the teams are not boderline cheating. You are living in a fantasy world.And all the old cheaters are working for nascar.
that makes no sense!!!!! if the car doeant pass post race standard are you win, then the win isnt yrs its simple i dont know y they r being so retarded!! its not fair to the rest of the car drivers with a legal car, amagine how slow carl would have been without that advantage, jr was right but on him!! carl wouldnt have been even in the top 15!!!!! im getting sick of this garbage!!!!
Absolutely they do, and if you think any differently, you’re high on meth. They did make the right call on the tire deal, though.
Nascar has consistently not taken away a victory for car irregularities…not too logical, but consistent. However……the tire thing is crapola! The tire rolled across pit lane! That is a penalty….don’t recall hearing that there has to be a reason why the tire wandered! It’s not a crime of intent, but prohibition! Does this mean that in the future every time this happens Nascar is obligated to find out WHY the tire rolled?
thank you Ruby! I find the tire deal with the 99 absolutely insane.
so like Ruby said, now you have to investigate why something happened?? it happened! period.
it’s against the rules, and should have been a penalty!!! because somebody was in the way makes it ‘ok’
what bs!
I’m fine with NASCAR not taking away the win because Wins really mean nothing in NASCAR. In NASCAR Points mean everything. Take a way all points but let them keep the win IMO. As far as the tire thing… I gotta think about that and stuff like that…
I think Nascar did the right thing with the tire penalty.
I am however in complete contest with their penalties for the number 99. They chose this race, this team, this time to be the time for them to crack down on rules. Despite promising to do that last year. If Carl makes it to the top 12 at the end of the year they wont give him the bonus points for this win, but Jimmie got to keep those points from his races won with a car that violated the rules.
For those of you who have heard Rusty Wallace’s comments on the subject, you really have to agree. There is no way that Carl or his team would have taken that cap off; it poses serious hazards to the drivers health and safety. I don’t care how much a team wants to win, they wont put their driver in danger to do it, because then what do they have…a win, but no driver.
Think about it.
One more thing. I was at the race at Vegas, in the infield. Carl’s crew actually stopped the tire from getting away the first time, but the tire escaped the box again after the crew member bumped into the camera man and lost control of it. It wasn’t his fault, nor the fault of the team…they had the tire under control.
Rusty had no idea what he was talking about. Taking that lid off does not put the driver in any harm. It was not the oil tank lid but the box that the oil tank was in, that oil was still in its sealed tank.
The best way I can describe that box/tank thing is like this. Take a 1 Gallon jug (like Milk comes in) that is your oil tank, now set that inside a 5 Gallon bucket with the bottom cut out. Now put the lid on the top of the bucket and that is the system they have in the car. The oil tank (1 gallon jug) is still sealed seperately inside the bucket. Now take the lid off of that bucket and that is what the 99 car had wrong with their car. Even with the lid off you will notice the 1 gallon jug is still sealed.
Heck Modifieds and late models (well the ones around here) don’t even run that system, they just have the oil tank sitting behind the drivers seat with no box around it.
Okay Fisha695 whatever your name is…that still doesn’t make any sense in the fact that NASCAR would of caught it in pre-race inspection and not post! There is no way that they pushed the car through pre-race tech, stopped on pit road and pulled the cap, then pushed it to the grid for the race! Apparently this isn’t the first issue with the cap of doom, since many Nationwide cars were having the same problem…it probably was left loose, then fell off just like any other form of debris. You don’t see NASCAR docking 100 pts. from cars that have flapping sheet metal after an accident. Oop! His quarter panel fell off, that’s an aerodynamic advantage causing less drag…sorry buddy, your seasons over! I mean come on! I’m tired of these so-called officials and penalties…let the guys race!
Nick It seems like you have never been to a race in person. From the time the car goes through pre-race inspection and pushed to the grid, to the grid is cleared and the cars roll off is anywhere from 1 to 2 hours. During that 1-2 hours the crews are all around the cars and doing lots of stuff to them both inside and outside the car.
And I do not see why you are comparing it to debris as it is not debris.
Here is the pic I posted in the other story showing it. This is a pic from after the race, and the piece with the hose on it is supposed to be down flat on top of the tank.
http://xs125.xs.to/xs125/08104/oops260.jpg
The hose is a vent hose for the breather on the oil tank, and is to help cool the oil.
Now here is a link to an article describing what it does when that is off. It is the second story down (well second as of today, it is the one from 03/05/08 )
http://stockcarscience.com/blog/index.php
Do cheaters prosper?!?!?!
Heck yeah they do! Back to back #48 championships when BOTH seasons they were caught cheating. Does anything more need said than that?
This cheaters question is any easy one. The names Junior Johnson, Curtis Turner, Cale Yarborough, Chad Knaus, Ray Evernham, Mikey Waltrip and his brother D.W come to mind. Even “The King” was caught with a cheater motor after winning a race. Robin Pemberton was branded a cheater for an unapproved mounting of a spacer on the manifold of Martin’s car and they lost the title to Big E by less than 50 points. Gary Nelson was known to frequently stretch the rules when he wrenched for Kyle Petty. It’s no coincidence that NASCAR hired Nelson and Pemberton. The answer is a big fat yes. Cheaters prosper in NASCAR.
P.S.- I forgot Bobby Allison and that so called Pontiac Lemans (around 1981).
darrell wrote:
First I just want to say that I am a Jimmie Johnson fan, and yes I totally agree with you that if a car fails POST race inspection with something that clearly does give an advantage, then they shouldn’t have their win count.
Now what I don’t agree with you on is that Jimmie Johnson only won his championships because of cheating, that is definately NOT the case… anytime that they hadn’t passed inspection it was BEFORE the race and they did not race with an illegal car, they were penalized just like anyone else was and paid for their mistakes. Racing and winning in an illegal car is alot different than having something not pass inspection before even going onto the track and fixing it, then racing with a car that passes. He didn’t win races with illegal cars, so yeah I guess the truth does hurt, but it doesn’t hurt me since my driver is just that good. He doesn’t need to cheat, and now we are all seeing that HMS isn’t the only team that has ever tried or tries to get around the rules, just now with the COT its a little harder to get away with and more teams are getting caught now.
its hard to say but i would bet anything if you could ask the hotels in the corupt city of sin
and money hungry disonest people that would do any thing to make a buck they woold no the ancer ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY SOME ONE ONE A LOT BUT HOW
MUSDT BE SOME ONE WITYH SOME PULL BECOUSE IF THEY LOST VEGAS WOULD NOT LOSE THER MONEY And let it lie nicley it was all set up l;ike evrey hoel in vegas alwayes politics something to hide somthing els all fixed
Forgot the best cheater of all time,SMOKEY,he was the best.
So bottom Line is, Lets all Cheat, WIN , TAKE THE MONEY and go to the next race.
Happens alot in NASCAR. Is it right. NO NO NO>
Take the WIN
Take the Win, Take the MONEY and the Points and Kick them off the Tack,
That stop them from Cheating for a few races.
Smokey claimed to be an innovator, not a cheater. (lol) That’s why I didn’t include him. I almost forgot one. Crazy Uncle Bruton. Doesn’t he have a conviction for stock fraud or something dating back to the 1960’s? He’s still an evil genius in my book and by far the best track owner we have. Not to mention a great showman. Even Colonel Parker could’ve learned from Bruton.
I don’t know about Bruton, but Rick Hendrick was involved in some kind of fraud thing back in the late 90s.
Rick was bribing Honda officials and getting cars when other dealers couldn’t. After a long, exhaustive investigation, Rick suddenly became ill. He was too sick to go to jail should there be a conviction and that marrow foundation was created. A few years later, Rick made a miraculous recovery. It was right after Rick and the others worked out deals with the prosecutors. Even Ripley’s (Believe It Or Not) had a hard time believing that one.
Of course CHEATERS prosoper… HENDRICK MOTORSPORTS!!! The only team I know that can and has been docked and STILL get a championship. They blatently cheated and still got it. Bullsh!t!!!
As for the old school guys cheating… of course it happened and samething as HMS.
Nascar ONLY does something when its not suiting their needs. As for them punishing the one’s that they want to win, they have to make it appear they are being fair to all and well they’ll just make up for it later with perfectly thrown “debris” cautions etc, that benefit those teams. No one is going to tell me different on that, its really looking like its wwf style.
And as for any penalty out of the one’s they listed above… Jr’s car and penalty is the only one is which the cars performance was NOT enhanced, friggen pins not approved of by nascar… PINS on the spoiler, that did NOTHING else but hold things together!! Yet he suffered the same amount as the one’s who DID blatenly cheat and cause their ars to have preformance enhancements?? wtf! THAT is not right.
The cheater who wins the race and its found, hence, Edwards, should have that WIN REMOVED and the guy in 2nd take the win. Then, that guy should be placed in last place standings AND face the monetary fines, suspensions, and a slightly smaller points decrease(since they are losing a little for being placed last).
Why should a guy caught cheating like that be ab le to keep the win…. Bullcr@p
Fisha695 wrote:
FIsha shut up….seriously….wins mean nothing….tell that to the drivers
Wins do mean nothing in the big scheme of things its points that mean everything. You can win the most races and still not win the championship and you can win one race, but be consistent and Win the championship in dominating fashion.
The old saying is “It’s only cheating if you get cought” Soo by that theory I would say there is a lot of cheating going on…
i would say that wins DO mean sumthing like the ten points the trouphy the cash.
Teams get the majority of the cash, and trophy’s just sit there and collect dust…. Plus with the schedule they have today the drivers are never home to look at the trophy’s…. l0l
To those of you who apparently think the rules do not apply to you here…
If you’re going to continue to break our policies, then I will continue to delete your posts.
Please don’t force me to ban you from this site.
This includes swear words with one letter taken out, telling people to shut up, and getting off topic repeatedly to have sparring matches with someone else on here.
I’m tired of warning the few of you who break the rules.
So I’ll say it nicely one more time…knock it off!
Well i guess Nascar is taking the fun out of the sport just like “Kenneth” is taking the fun out of the blogs.
We do need to back off a little with the personal attacks. We will have to comply with the rules laid out by Kenneth. I know a lot of us use the letter A and 2 dollar signs when referring to another name for a donkey. Is that something we can’t do anymore Kenneth? Is that one of the violations? I just want to be sure. I don’t need help getting stupid.
Bill wrote:
Here’s a good example of someone that doesn’t have to call me a name to get his point across that he didn’t like what I said. I have no problem having you disagree with me….and I don’t care if you say I’m full of it. There’s just a way to do it so it’s not blatantly offensive to others…like this.
gigolo george wrote:
gg, I think it comes down to having a little discretion. An ‘A’ followed by 2 symbols, for example, is fine. That’s one of those words that I guess you could call borderline.
Quite honestly, I have no problem with any profanity, but alot of people do, and we have younger people who read this blog, and I want to respect their readership.
Kenneth
…. “to those of you who apparently think the rules do not apply to you here…
If you’re going to continue to break our policies, then I will continue to delete your posts. Please don’t force me to ban you from this site.This includes swear words with one letter taken out, telling people to shut up, and getting off topic repeatedly to have sparring matches with someone else on here. I’m tired of warning the few of you who break the rules. So I’ll say it nicely one more time…knock it off!”
Aww, did poor SOnSO come crying to you? This is ridiculous, that you chastize some of us, yet ’some’ other’s get away with saying what ever they want to, to people. Its only good for a very select few to say anything AND everything, EVERYTIME, yet, if WE try to post in turn, WE are the one’s in the wrong? What a joke. We thought YOU were in charge of this site not fisha.
And, if you see and READ some post carefully, you will see that the “God” of the site, fisha not to mention crybaby”, is JUST as guilty of breaking the rules. He only uses his words a little different when “ATTACKING other’s post’s. He is also guilty of making INNAPROPRIATE comments to other’s simply based on THEIR VIEW’s and who THEY choose as a “favorite” driver, not to mention… SPAMMING on every thread becaue HE has to be the “authority on the matter, or the last word. Oh and let’s not forget that he intenionately antagonizes people, just so you he can turn and hide behind the “rules” and get you to do this kind of statement.
There are some that I will say are way out of line with their derogatory remarks not matter what, which mostly are “guest” non registered persons. But when YOU decide to the lay down the law on EVERYONE, for EVERY RULE, then maybe people won’t get so frustrated.
Make sure you do it to EVERYONE, not just the whoa’es me person(s). What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Its funny that only ONE person here is consistently having the issue of being told to be quiet, or to stop, etc, because THEY are starting stuff and seem to think its all about them and no one else is right nor has a say. Plus, that person can say whatever they want bad towards some…. Yet, they are the one that is protected?!? So, if this is how the site is going to be ran that only one persons opinon matters, that is just wrong. And that person is also and MORE SO, WAY guilty of straying off subjects… because again, he just HAS to correct people, say something, or just try to be “special”
If you want to kick me off for stating MY opinion on this, fine. We will see then that this site IS truly biased and favored people run it. So you will lose everyone else if THEY don’t feel that they have the same rights and protections. It IS extremely ridiculous that one or two will and do hide behind the “rules”, yet are just as guilty as violating them, exception of swearing.
IF all our opinions matter and have value to the post/threads, etc that are informative, or that we or others can learn from, then maybe ALL of us should be able to say those without always having to be insulted or corrected because we do. So, if you feel like banning me, fine, there are other sites, that are FAIR TO ALL, informative, and professional.
People are not going to keep coming here if its all about one person only and if anyone else speaks up, they get “warned about being banned” because of it.
Thanks.
TO ALL THE POSTER’S HERE:
If I get banned for this “opinion” of mine. Nice talking with each of you with your MATURE, informative and RESPECTFUL of me and other’s opinion, Whether we saw eye to eye, or we don’t have the same favorite drivers or not. Good knowing ya, and keep on racing on. Wish you better blogging/posting, even if you have to go to another site. Take care.
I got a beatdown and warning from Kenneth last year for some of my nasty comments on Kurt Busch. Just about everything I said about Kurt was accurate, just not in the right context. Besides us hardcore fans and racers, we do get kids and moms logging on. I’ve been involved in some personal crap too, but I had to get past it. I don’t want to see anyone kicked off. I enjoy what we have. It doesn’t matter who does or doesn’t like me, it’s about the passion we have for the sport. jr88fan and Fisha are pieces of the puzzle. jr88fan and Fisha get equal respect from me. All of you do. Otherwise this deal doesn’t work.
NOT to “change” the subject at hand… BUT
Fisha695 wrote:
And from the nature of your comments and your previous comments in other articles it sounds like from the start of this one you are trying to be a Smart-”donkey” and start an argument for no reason other then to argue, thinking you will get me to break the rules and get banned. But its not going to happen.
Oh… KENNETH… I believe THIS would be BREAKING the rules!!!
Just because SAM said: “I do not see DEI mentioned in this article!”
but.. SAM is in the wrong making inappropriate comments, and attacking others??? HMMM.. Ok
I REST MY CASE!!!
Jr88fan I did not attack Sam, or break the rules at all. I simply stated that the nature of the way that comment was written, combined with the nature of the other comments from Sam involving Me and JR related topics seamed like Sam was trying to coax me into an argument in hopes of me breaking the rules in the course of that argument.
kthnxbye
seriously, I’m tired of hearing you guys go at each other…it’s ridiculous! im sure im not alone on this. let’s talk about racing cant we?
TT I want to talk about racing, but those two have to constantly attack everything I say because OMG I happen to not like The Holy Child Jr.
Thank you Gigolo George! I appreciate that very much!!
And Fisha, Sam was doing NOTHING of the sort! Again, your “poor me” sydrome and twist of the words and the facts at work. And, YOU were the one changing the subject and inciting something that was not there. Sam MERELY stated HIS oipinon on the matter. Whatever happened in another post between you two had nothing to do with that post. But, AGAIN. YOUR SO innocent, even thought YOU insulted, ATTACKED and made comments in/to that thread and Sam that had nothing to do with the topic. You just couldn’t stay out of his response to someone else, even though you COULD have, and then you TRY and hide behind “the rules”, even though YOU are the one that broke them! I have nothing else to say to you. I made my point and the truth was seen about what you do to PROVOKE people into things ,just as you are now so *I* can gtet nailed, and then act all innocent. boohoo.
TT… I apologize. I was merely making my point to Kenneth about this. Everyone else is accused of breaking rules, except fisha, and its old. I KNOW I am not the only one that see’s what is going on. I WISH we could stay on topic and/or have a great dialogue to some things, without that sad attempts of control from another. Its too bad I had to use it here in the thread as well, to state it. But, why should a selct few of us get the wrath, while some other acts pristine and get away with THEIR behavior? MANY of us TRY to talk about racing.. but as stated above.. we are always deemed stupid or our post are overshadowed of any great response, by some jealous individual who has something to prove.
I am done… Back to racing topics only… well, until Kenneth bans me from my postings here. lol
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And fisha… Just dont even respond or make ANY statements to my post from now on. Thank you, come again
I consider Axel, Bob, HRTodd, Fisha, Sam, G.Thompson, jr88fan, Darrell, Justin, Dustin and every other person that comes here to play, my equals. I know I’m not better than anyone here but I think I’m just as good as anyone here. Equal. Just as important as anyone else. Equal. We’ve had a good ride with Kenneth. I hope we can keep it going without losing anyone along the way. We should enlighten each other, not shoot each other. Hot Rod Todd gave us the scoop on what happened in California. Stuff I didn’t see anywhere else. Even weather conditions. Fisha informed me that Fran Prestay, aka Five Star Bodies, makes the infamous Robby Gordon nose piece. I’ve dealt with Fran’s company on and off for over 20 years but was unaware of this. Another one of us lives minutes from Lowe’s Motor Speedway and tells us tidbits on everything from the track to the community. I actually learn things here. This is a cool place. Let’s keep it rolling and playing by the rules is a good start.
Nice exchange folks and George you are right about every one bringing a little something to the table. If every one could say something about the track near them that is not published on that tracks race week it would be a little more interesting site. I for one live near the Daytona Track and my wife works for nascar (doesn’t stop me from blasting them every chance I get though) so at times I do get a few inside tidbits to pass on.
Kenneth= The Editor
Good move on your part to let every one air their views on how and what is said to whom on this site without jumping in and admonishing them. In all families the tension just gets to charged and over the top till one day every one just says what is on there mind no matter who it hurts..
That is a good thing a release valve of sorts. I believe that is what just happened here.